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I have deleted the following from the article. I can't see what sourcing is available for this and it is a surprising claim.

==Current Status== The title of Baron of Kendal still exists and is used in the form of an [[English feudal barony]] and is an [[incorporeal hereditament]] under British [[Common Law]]. The current title holder is an American academic and researcher who has remained anonymous. While the title is in use in the form of [[hereditary property]] as the style and title of [[Baron]]/[[Baroness]], it is not granted by [[the Crown]] and is transferred via [[deed]] and private treaty. <ref>{{citation |last1=Bromley|last2=Davenport |url=https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/bbad8487-e60c-4789-8e48-c2ab5f1f1a8a |title=Clowes Deeds |year=2014 |url-status=live |accessdate=9 July 2022}}</ref>

Can anyone explain the background to this? Andrew Lancaster (talk) 05:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Lancaster It was a rookie attempt to add to the subject I am studying for graduate school. I will circle back, cut my teeth as a contributor and learn how to cite to the point of origin before attempting in the future. I respect your contributions on these topics and will provide better attribution in my future edits. 2601:1C1:8580:1180:4DC1:499F:CD50:4667 (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia! My reason for posting it here is that I suspected that there is something behind it, but I could not work it out. I am certainly not an expert in the modern laws about English titles but I don't think the modern ones are still called "feudal"? In any case it seems confusing to use that term for something "incorporeal" and so it would need some explanation for our readers (and editors). The situation you are describing sounds more like some cases you hear about in Scotland, but in that case there is still a link to bits of land from the old lordship as I understand it. In modern England the terms baron and baroness have often been associated with the hereditary parliamentary lords. In other words your remark implies that there is a "Lord Kendal". But I've never heard of one, and when I google those words I only see characters in romance novels. There is also the question of whether any such modern title is really one which "descends" in some way from the old barony of Kendal. (That is the implication of the words "The title ... still exists".)--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 06:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can see in Complete Peerage (2nd ed.) titles involving Kendal include the following, and perhaps this helps to develop some kind of legacy section for the article, which I suggest would be near the end:
I think the various dukedoms and earldoms have little to do with baronies of the original feudal type, and this article is about baronies. William Parr and James Lowther are apparently the most relevant.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]