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Apparently Donnie was playing golf and that photo is staged.Slatersteven (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know that—Newsweek's (which published the allegations) source was a now-retracted tweet by Jennifer Hayden ([1]) JOE BRO 64 18:02, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"President Donald Trump, with key civilian and military officials, observe the operation in the White House Situation Room", rather implies its being watched.Slatersteven (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Apparently Donnie was playing golf and that photo is staged." You have not prove any of this. Get some official, legitimate sources on the official timeline of events first before peddling misleading, yet-to-proven info. RopeTricks (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Newswek article of Nov 27th states that the Tump golf outing tracker shows that he was golfing at https://www.newsweek.com/obama-photographer-baghdadi-raid-trump-situation-room-suggested-staged-timestamp-golfing-1468012 at 3:33 P.M.] whereas Politifact produced the next day (Nov 28th) has him departing the golfcourse at 3:33 P.M..And accepting the analysis of FotoForensics a time is mentioned but not a date. Can you trust the date/time stamp on a picture Nope it is as accurate as the date/time on the camera which can be reset. Explainer was able to download a utility called ExifTool from the Web and edit the time stamps on all his photosOldperson (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Latest Information on the Barisha Raid

To whom it may concern: For those who may have an interest in detailing the events of this raid, there is new information that has just now been made available to the public here. --- Davidbena (talk) 00:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 03:10, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barisha raid → Death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi – Per WP:COMMONNAME. This raid is not known for taking place in Barisha, it is known for leading to the death of Baghdadi. The current name is not a descriptive title, and hence appears to the reader as a common name, but it is not in any way. A Google search on news given me 9 hits. When you read the article you will notice that every part of it is about Baghdadi. It is about the search for Baghdadi, the raid itself including his death and identification, and the reactions and succession following his death. The only exception is the casualties section, as Baghdadi was not the only one killed. However, only one other casualty have been named, with the remaining being anonymous "ISIL members", and "non-ISIL militiants", making their deaths irrelevant with regards to naming. As Baghdadi blew himself up, "Killing" is not appropriate, and "Suicide" is misleading, as it took place during a military operation. "Death" is the most appropriate. ― Hebsen (talk) 12:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support as proposer. ― Hebsen (talk) 12:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC) Strike following Dekimasu's comment, as nomination implies support. ― Hebsen (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RM#Nom. Dekimasuよ! 15:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support as both "Killing" and "Suicide" are inappropriate/misleading in this specific instance. I note that the title yields a large number of hits ( > 180) on Google to convince us that this is a COMMONNAME. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:50, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Generally Support due to the article's undeniable similarities to the similarly and accurately-named Death of Osama bin Laden article. RopeTricks (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support well-argued original proposal. Koopinator (talk) 17:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish support

User:A78dfas stop removing this from the article, its not just a claim like the sdf reference. First ref says capture of key bagdadi aide by Turkey paved way for the operation

Do you have an wp:rs making this claim?Slatersteven (talk) 09:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also "sharing information" is support it's hard to see it as being a "combatant".Slatersteven (talk) 09:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

care to look at the article like I said?https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-baghdadi-capture-exclu-idUSKBN1X60SR and wtf has combatants has to do with it? its support like iraqi intelligence

Then remove Iraq.Slatersteven (talk) 11:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.103.50.211 (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey did not actively tale part in the raid, this article is not about the war on terror as a whole or even about how they found baghdadi, this article is about the direct operation in which Turkey had no part in. A78dfas (talk) 12:49, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

right, neither did iraq or sdf

Yes, your point? I never disputed that.