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My contributions

I reported the message about my contributions to this page to the administrators. I'll leave it up to them to decide whether my contributions are to be considered as vandalism or not.

Dreamer.se 09:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)dreamer.se[reply]

Dear Oaobregon

I have no wish to discuss this matter any further, whoever you are, (we?). I'll just repeat what I told the administrators; if _they_ (and nobody else) consider my contributions to be categorized as vandalism so be it. Then I will accept that and discuss the matter further with them. That's my final word on the matter.

Respectfully,

Dreamer.se 16:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)dreamer.se[reply]

Sources?

This article does not contain a single sourced statement, so I added the global tag rather than spoil the look of the page by adding loads of {{fact}} tags ;) Feel free to remove the article tag once sources have been added - if you're not sure which bits need sourcing I can try to advise, but basically it's anything that provides a fact that could be challenged or that quotes someone (eg: Stating "Yes Sir, I Can Boogie" and "Sorry, I'm A Lady" are world-famous songs needs proof; and "In 1978, Baccara also received the Bambi Prize" needs a reference). The article might also benefit from a bit of copyediting to tone down the occasional bit of commentary (eg "The audience discovered two elegant and glamourous women with a sexy wardrobe...") Regards EyeSerene^TALK 18:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "Eins Plus Eins"

According to homepage [1] the single "Ay Ay Sailor" b/w "One Two Three That's Life" was released as RCA-Victor PB 5666, "Eins Plus Eins Ist Eins" as RCA-Victor PB 5670, so judging by the RCA catalogue numbers I'd say the latter is the German version of the former. Which one was recorded first I do now know. Feel free to change it if you find information proving the exact recording date.

Dreamer.se 13:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)dreamer.se[reply]

Hi there! That Polish website is not official. It's just made by a fan and it's full of mistakes. You're right, the German single was published after the English one. But as you can read in the history section of the article: <<In 1979, on the occasion of the International Year of the Child (declared thus by the UN), Baccara recorded the song "Eins Plus Eins Ist Eins" to celebrate the twentieth anniversary of the Declaration Of The Rights Of The Child and to encourage its application.>> Another way to prove that the German version was recorded first is the fact that real children do sing in it, and in the English version María Mendiola makes all the children voices. Cheers! Oaobregon

I have copyedited the article introduction (and wikified the article a bit with some additional headings) - see what you think, and if you are happy for me to continue I'll get on with the rest of the article text. I was slightly confused myself about Baccara/New Baccara/Baccara... I have referred to this page here which seems to be a reputable site; some of the other sources I found (eg here) seemed a bit confused themselves. The eurodancehits site could also be suitable as a reference - it might save having to translate some of the Spanish article sources ;) EyeSerene^TALK 13:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

Just got the Split section onwards to do now. A few questions:

I have read the original sentence (first paragraph of Formation) to mean that "Palmarés" is the name of a TV programme the band appeared on. Is this correct? If so, information on the type of programme, a date and hopefully a citation would be nice ;)
The Zaragoza theatre: where is it? I removed the link as it went to the town of Zaragoza, which I didn't think was relevant... but maybe it is, you'll know best
Definitely need a reference for the quote "too elegant" - the only one I have found is here - is this site reliable?
I have assumed the Guiness book of Records entry was the 1977 edition - is this correct?

I'll finish the article off as soon as I get the chance - hope this helps so far. EyeSerene^TALK 20:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, you're doing a great work!

"Palmarés" is the name of a programme that used to present several artists (singers and comics) in one single night.
It was not "The Zaragoza Theatre", but a common theatre (mainly a hall) in that city (we don't have the exact name of that hall).
You can trust that website upon that reference, but not for the history of both Baccara incarnations.
Indeed, it was the 1977 edition, though we can't find a copy of it.

Completed

Copyedit now finished, although it would definitely benefit from a proofread and a few more citations. Please feel free to correct any mistakes I have made, and thanks for your help! EyeSerene^TALK 18:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Updated and wikified the discography.

Keep up the good work on the bio guys. ;-)

S.

Dreamer.se 09:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)dreamer.se[reply]

Proofread

Thanks for all the work you've done. There's just one big mistake in Mateos's Baccara: Gina T. was never part of it (this is one of those false statements of some websites, including the Polish one). All the girls who form part of it, in chronological order, are:

Marisa Pérez (yes, the one who has partnered with María Mendiola)
Ángela Muro
Sole García
Jane Comerford
Cristina Sevilla
Paloma Blanco
Romy Abradelo
Francesca Rodrigues
María Marín

I think it would be better to mention that the current member is María Marín.

One more thing, Marisa Pérez is written with a single "s"... I'm correcting this right now.

Regards. Oaobregon

Errors corrected and the full list of partners included! EyeSerene^TALK 20:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Now everything reads perfect! Thank you very much for copyediting this article. We appreciate your work and effort a lot! Best regards. Oaobregon

Yes Sir, I Can Boogie

Compare Yes Sir, I Can Boogie and Con te partirò. This looks so much alike !!! Hektor (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Sir, I Can Boogie - accusation of plagiarism

I have listened to 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie' (audio) and 'Don't Leave Me This Way' (audio) over and over, and I cannot hear any real similarity. That is, beyond the fact that they are both disco type tunes with the same beat and arrangement. But that commonality is a general feature of a lot of 1970s disco type music. What does everyone else think?. Izzy (talk) 10:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody has responded to this inside 48 hours. The statement that Yes Sir ... is plagiarised from DLMTW is simply a matter of opinion. So, the statement cannot stay in the article. In any event, I cannot hear any significant similarity between the two songs. Izzy (talk) 09:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem with removing that statement - we have no reliable source for it. EyeSerene^talk 11:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quality Scale

I would say that this article ticks all the boxes for making it B Class. In particular, it has 17 references almost all of which are internet accessible. There are multiple inline citations for some of the references. Izzy (talk) 08:39, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ps : I notice that a number of the reference links are now dead. Leave that with me. Izzy (talk) 13:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes Sir, I can Boogie sellings compared with Rivers of Babylon

Sources say that Yes Sir, I can boogie sold 18 millions pieces (Wikipedia most selling singles list and also said by website "the 20 best-selling Singles of all time". Rivers of Babylon by Boney M. sold 10 million copies (said by most selling singles list Wikipedia)....Frank Farian said 20 million sellings....I think Farian is right...so good as in same time (77/78..same records sellings)...Rivers of Babylon longer on 1 and in more countries and also outside Europe in several countries....Or probably are the selling volumes of Yes Sir, I can boogie too high....look to the Wikipedia page Rivers of Babylon and to the page Yes Sir, I can boogie....compare the Charts positions and in how many countries... Musicworldvision (talk) 02:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Information not accurate in the "Split" section about "Sleepy-Time Toy"

The information about song "Sleepy-Time Toy" in the first paragraph of the "Split" section is not accurate.

The song mixing was indeed the source of the conflict and led to the split, but only one vocal mix was released back then: the usual 5:06 version found on both 12'' and 7'' releases of the single.

See 12-inch and 7-inch singles on discogs.

The 6:12 version linked here (YouTube video) is a simple re-edit of the original 5:06 version, supposedly released on the red Colombian 12-inch (RCA Victor 05(0141)00034).

See Colombian 12-inch on discogs.

Ending part of the song is appended to the beginning, making it a longer edit.

The allegation that a "28-second instrumental bridge was removed from the start of the recording (thereby reducing the play time from 6:12 to 5:44)" is therefore not true. There is no mention of this anywhere.

Latin-American 12-inches were known for such botched copy-paste work, with the aim to produce longer edits of songs that did not have any proper extended 12-inch mix back then.

There is no other mixing difference with the original 5:06 version. Checkgeo (talk) 08:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]