Talk:Baby, Please Don't Go/Archive 1

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Maybe too many infoboxes here :) Apart from the original, I think the best known version is by the band Them.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eddus (talk • contribs) 18:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Disagree. The song article should feature whoever covers the song, and certainly does not belong to Them. / edgarde 07:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The Amboy Dukes version didn't even chart. The heading says:==Notable cover versions==. I don't think their version belongs here at all. Is every song they ever recorded to be listed on Wikipedia as a notable cover version? Agadant 00:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Charts should not be the only measure of notability. Since this version was chosen for the original Nuggets compilation, I'd say it's pretty notable. Also, (tho it's WP:OR for me to say it without providing a source) the version was pretty ahead of it's time, as guitar wanks go. / edgarde 22:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Frank Zappa + John Lennon version?

I have a live appearance of Frank Zappa and John Lennon on my computer with this song. Maybe there should be something about it in the article? Gumdropster 10:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

You might be referring to the album Some Time in New York City. Is that the same song? It's credited to Walter Ward, which (presuming this is Walter Ward (singer)) suggests it's a different song by doo-wop group The Olympics (band). / edgarde 07:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Is the Doors' version notable?

This version seems too obscure to be included under Notable cover versions. / edgarde 07:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed non-notable cover versions

In what's sure to be a controversial edit, I removed the following rather obscure versions:

• Budgie – track two, described as following track one.
• Doors – part of an extemporaneous medley on a Bright Midnight live release. It might be notable if, for instance, fans have been treasuring this particular performance on bootlegs for decades (and someone has written about it). But I bet that's not the case.
• John Lee Hooker – seen rehearsing this number on a DVD. Hook has like 90 albums, and if this is DVD-only and not even part of the main performance on that product, it's just not ipso facto notable.

Restore if something interesting can be said about the version. We have 16 artists listed, and don't need to give each an empty paragraph. / edgarde 12:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Restored the Hooker mention under Van Morrison and Them heading. Reasoning: Them-notable, even if not Hooker-notable. / edgarde 00:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

1945 version

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Note to whomever provided the personnel here: This meets with an inconsistency - The history of Sonny Boy Williamson I states : "... Miller did not release any records during Williamson's lifetime..."

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Sonny_Boy_Williamson_I

refers. Since the real Williamson's life ended tragically after a gig backing Big Joe Williams in 1948 one would presume that the personnel in the above stated recording was Sonny Boy Williamson I and not II as it states here. However, i am not qualified to make any changes to the original information, merely observant.

Interestingly, both Sonny Boy Williamson I & II knew Big Joe Williams, and like Big Joe, Sonny Boy Williamson II is from Mississippi. The Sonny Boy Williamson I article says he performed sessions with Williams (the last in 1947), and the article for II doesn't mention such session work. Since the Wirz discography lists no Sonny Boy sessions after 1947, I'm changing this to Sonny Boy Williamson I and {{fact}} tagging it with a hidden editor's note. It remains possible that Williamson II recorded as a sideman (perhaps under one of his earlier stage names) prior to releasing his own recordings. We could use some verification here. / edg ☺ ☭ 04:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Mary Johnson song originator !?!

Although the song is usually credited to Big Joe Williams, according to Sheldon Harris' "Blues Who's Who" it was originated by blues singer Mary Johnson ("Signifying Mary", from 1925 until 1932 married to Lonnie Johnson. While Big Joe obviously somehow got the writing credits for the song, he informed an interviewer about Mary Johnson's authorship. (She actually has never recorded that song herself - short bio and sound clips at http://www.redhotjazz.com/MaryJohnson.html ). Anybody knows more about this, e.g. the source of that BJW interview ?!? StefanWirz (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Weird kind of Web links citation

What's the use of this - to me strange - kind of citation of a web link still in existance:

Wirz, Stefan. "Big Joe Williams (10/16/1903 - 12/17/1982) Discography". Archived from the original on 2007-03-12. Retrieved 2007. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameters: |1=, |accessdaymonth=, |month=, |accessmonthday=, and |coauthors= (help)

Why not cite just the original URL ? Is there a new rule I don't know of ? StefanWirz (talk) 12:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

source/link suggestion

Here's an article about the Stooges' "I Wanna Be Your Dog" that traces it to "Baby Please Don't Go." [1] Full disclosure, I am an editor at Crawdaddy!; but I am not posting the link to avoid COI issues. Best, Asst. Editor, Crawdaddy! FenderRhodesScholar | Talk 18:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:DEADLINK. Here's an archived version:

• Sullivan, Denise (4 June 2008). "Well, C'mon! I Wanna Be Your Dog". Crawdaddy!. Archived from the original on 26 April 2009.

/ edg ☺ ☭ 13:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Part of the solo is referenced by other artists

Amboy Dukes version's solo (2:30) referenced on

• "Third Stone From the Sun" by Jimi Hendrix (1967)
• "I'm Too Sexy" by Right Said Fred (1992)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.202.63.68 (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout provides some guidance regarding placement of article images, which are comparable to infoboxes: "Images should ideally be spread evenly within the article, and relevant to the sections they are located in" and "Generally, if there are so many images in a section that they strip down into the next section at 1024×768 screen resolution, that probably means either that the section is too short, or that there are too many images" (WP:LAYIM). A brief review of song Featured Articles and Good Articles does not show any articles with bunched or stacked infoboxes. Too many or wrongly placed infoboxes make an article appear cluttered and amateurish; in some cases they may be misleading, for example when an infobox for a later version shows up in a section about the original song. Infobox details can be included as prose in the appropriate section. Ojorojo (talk) 15:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The guitarist on the version by Them

There is only one guitar audible on the song, no rhythm guitar. Doubts have been expressed about who the guitarist was but I am sure it was Billy Harrison (the group's founder). There is a television video of this song from 1964, admittedly mimed, but nevertheless an accurate reconstruction with the original performers and this shows only one guitarist, and indeed he appears to be a master of the instrument at least in this guitar part. His identity is not evident from this video, but it is certainly not Jimmy Page, and his identity can be assured from another much later video believed to be from Rock'n the North, 1994. Here the much older Billy Harrison is present and begins with the initial riff from Baby Please Don't Go. (Who played on Gloria is another matter and not the subject of this page). Froddington (talk) 21:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Could use a source either way. The video is inconclusive evidence since there could be other considerations leading to who is shown miming the guitar, and if the player on the single were indeed a session guy (or an ex-member), they would be unlikely to bring him in for the TV appearance. Them had an inconstant lineup, and made frequent use of session players in the studio. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

On Jimmy Page's own website, his biography gives Page credit for playing on Van Morrison's "Baby Please Don't Go" as a session guitarist. Agadant (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Billy Harrison doesn't have his own website, or a biographer, does he. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

At about 1:22, a second bassy guitar or bass comes in over the bass ostinato and guitar and noodles around a bit. This may be what Morrison is referring to by "doubled a bass riff", but can't find a source. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:40, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Baby, Please Don't Go/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 08:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Calvin999 and I am reviewing this article.

Review

• One suspicious link
• Is linking to a disambiguation page intentional?

• Chicago, October 31, 1935 → Put a semi-colon after Chicago and put the date so it goes underneath it (Example: I Was Here (song)
• Structurally, I think you should follow "You Don't Love Me (No, No, No)" as an example for this article
• songs, which → Remove comma
• with recordings by several blues musicians. → Such as?
• as well as → and
• What is a race records chart? Needs linking of possible It's a precursor to the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart we have today.
• the song an electric → There's a word missing here, doesn't make sense
• at that time a studio guitarist, → a studio guitarist at the time,
• as performing for the recording, → Doesn't make sense
• "Baby, Please Don't Go" is likely an adaptation of "Long John", → Why don't you say this in the lead?
• "I'm Alabama Bound","Elder Green Blues", → Needs to be a space between Bound and Elder
• "Don't Leave Me Here", and "Turn Your Lamp Down Low". → Don't need a comma when using 'and'
• guitarist Lonnie Johnson never → Comma after Johnson
• Original song seems odd to be called this for a section when it's not an original song? Perhaps say that he re-arranged it into what is now known as the original version of "baby, Please Don't Go". Would you agree?
• The song became a big hit → Too informal
• Boosted by the B-side, → Boosted?
• The single was issued → The song was released
• In the AC/DC version, the block quote isn't being indented because of the picture. Either do something else with the block quote, such as in a sentence as a quote, or move/remove the picture from the left
• I'd combined the AC/DC version section and Aerosmith version section as a 'Other versions' section.
• A music video, directed by Mark Haefeli, was produced to promote the single. Subsequently, the song has become a staple of the band's concert repertoire. → This needs sourcing

Summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Outcome

On hold for 7 days  — Calvin999 08:57, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm satisfied that this article meets the GA criteria now. Well done.  — Calvin999 08:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Pass or Fail:

Non-reviewer comment: This could use more reviews from critics. One review for Williams, one for Janovitz, one for AC/DC, and one for Aerosmith doesn't seem like very much. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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