Talk:Axl Rose/Archive 4

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Instrument alteration

With "piano" on the instrument list. Do you think it might be a good idea to replace it with "keyboards" instead? It's because Axl Rose played other types of keyboards other than piano in studio. 88.104.216.186 (talk) 03:22, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

No. He's mostly known for playing piano, not other keyboards, but I'm not saying he don't play them. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:34, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Duet with Michael Monroe

I don't know the exact reson but AXl's duet and guest appearance in his video "Dead, Jail or Rock n' Roll" is not mentioned ,n his "Guest Appearances" topic, which is well known in 80's and 90's. Lets mention it and not let to be forgotten in 2020's Baris365 (talk) 07:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFYz0QP5xBQ Baris365 (talk) 07:52, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Vocal range

Hi, I've removed him from the category of "singers with five-octave" vocal ranges for now.

The source provided in his article claims his vocal range spans nearly seven octaves.[1] Another source claims he has sung notes that span almost six octaves,[2] but the website they got this information from gathered data from a forum which discussions the possible vocal ranges singers hit in studio recordings. The data was gathered by The Range Place, a forum for vocal ability and based on the music recorded in the studio by these artists, rather than live. And I suspect some of these websites gather data from fan forums discussing vocal ranges.

I'm obviously no music expert or a vocal coach, but is it 5, 6 or 7 octaves? I'm wondering if there are any reliable/high quality sources which specifically state his vocal range? Specifically the claim of a five-octave vocal range. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

La guns turning into guns n roses.

So actually the manager of La Guns fired Axl rose , but Traci guns and Axl lived in an apartment together so at 2:00 in the morning Traci said " just because this guy wants to fire you doesn't mean were not going to play together we should merge our names guns and rose" witch later led to the band GUNS N ROSES. I only know this because I've watched a documentary about GUNS N ROSES where Traci was featured taking about how GUNS N ROSES was formed and there my favorite band ever so I didn't forget what Traci said. USE YOUR ILLUSION 1AND2 (talk) 13:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

This is my old account but it's still true and should be changed DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 17:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing

I feel like the editor should really be locked unless you have permission because really none of us know AXL ROSE but things do need to be added DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 13:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The legal and lawsuits sections don’t belong in this bio

The legal and lawsuits sections don’t belong in this bio if not reliable sources. Even reliable magazines such as Rolling Stone and Spin might publish online articles that are not in their print magazine. Those often have click bait headlines or are opinion pieces. This bio seems to focus on too much minutiae in these sections. One editor named Ringfan23 will not engage on the topic of why they keep putting in the story of one accusation. In researching this story, no reliable news agencies picked it up and the woman’s case was not accepted by a prominent lawyer she met with. It was a lawyer who notably handles such cases. There’s some truth known about this incident in 1985. Slash’s bio mentioned it. Mick Wall’s, also biased, mentioned it in 2016. In 2019, a woman came forward and said she was the girl running down the street and added was also sexually assaulted. I cannot find one eyewitness or ear witness that collaborates her 2019 version of the alleged assault in front of witnesses. A accusation should be put in the bio just because people on social media are discussing it.

The alleged event happened 39 years ago in 1985. The band was signed in 1986 and became internationally known in 1988. What’s the relevance to his bio of an accusation in 2019? We know Slash and Axl were running from the law in 1985 with the accusation of statutory rape. Since the family withdrew the charges, where’s the explanation as to why? The woman’s mom could have been interviewed in 2019. Why is the public expected to navigate the truth with so little details? Why shouldn’t we be critical of the girl’s parents who let her roam the streets at night at 15 and be familiar to hard partying individuals at a rehearsal space? Do we know that the men she encountered knew her age? I would guess some did not. That would have mattered to a judge. What if Ringerfan23 decides to put every negative encounter Axl Rose had in his bio? Certainly, there’s not a word of his eulogy and singing at Lisa Marie Presley’s 2023 funeral which a significant event in his life and it was covered by reliable sources. This bio needs to be more neutral and balanced. Demsuz (talk) 22:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

No discussion on noticeboard posted. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

It is there. Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#c-NatGertler-20241017221700-Demsuz-20241017212600 Demsuz (talk) 23:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Demsuz: Oh, you posted it was @ Notice of neutral point of view noticeboard discussion - FlightTime (open channel) 23:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I posted a notice here too. Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard Demsuz (talk) 01:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

The legal section (and its lawsuit subsection) are laden with top-notch sources, like the Associated Press, Washington Post, Deseret News, and L.A. Times. Rolling Stone is considered a reliable source for non-political matters, and we accord websites in general with the same level of reliability as their print publications. There may be reasons to trim individual items from this section, but there is no basis for the elimination of the entire section. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Rolling Stone has hard hitting investigative reporting then it has sections of subculture such as gaming, food, and commentary. A lot of hearsay is in the bio. Take a look at all the tabloids and unreliable sources used such as blogs and music fan websites. Why is this allowed?

The “Legal Issues” section has this order of references:

Ultimate Classic Rock

Deseret News

Loudwire

L.A. Times

Ultimate Classic Rock

The New York Times

MTV.com

Billboard

The “Law Suit” section has this order of references:

Associated Press

The Buffalo News

Meaww.com

Los Angeles Times

Spin

Blabbermouth

Blabbermouth

Entertainment Weekly

NY Times blog

Ultimate Classic Rock

Blabbermouth

Los Angeles Times

Hollywood Reporter

Metal Sludge

The Washington Post

TMX.com

ABC News

People

Demsuz (talk) 01:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

As I said, there's a lot of high-quality references in there. And trying to put down Rolling Stone's cultural coverage overlooks that their cultural coverage is specifically what they've been found reliable on (see WP:ROLLINGSTONE.) If you want to address individual items in the Legal section, fine, but claiming that there are some sources are weak and thus the whole thing has to go is not how we work here. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 01:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

My comment wasn’t a put down. Rolling Stone wasn’t even a reference used in those sections. The relevant legal issues should be throughout the bio, not at the bottom. Are you interested in helping improve the article? Why not take the tabloid trivial matters out? Demsuz (talk) 16:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

mindless self indulgence

The band was started by jimmy urine in the 1800 bc it inspired many young children to live love and laugh 2601:2C1:9080:3F40:5808:8CFF:FE87:FBCC (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)