Talk:Avrohom Yeshaya Karelitz

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Name change

Since the premature death of the prophet Isiaiah (Yeshayahu), no one gives the full name to their children, but abbreviates it as "Yeshayah." I made all the changes in the document, and would like to know how to change the title of the article. Yoninah 09:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Use "move page", or if you don't manage ask me again here to do it. Do you have any source that the Chazon Ish was called Yeshaya or Yeshayahu. It is not enough to say the he should be called Yeshaya. All people I know that are named after him are called Yeshaya, so you're probably right. JFW | T@lk 13:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

The most common name used on Google is "Avraham Yeshayahu Karelitz". Common English usage is the Wikipedia standard, regardless of what he should have been called. Jayjg ^(talk) 14:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

SHouldn't it be Avrohom Yeshyah Karelitz? --Shaul avrom 02:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Use of italics for the Nome de Plume

Chazon Ish is a pseudonym. Chazon Ish is a book. In the wikipedia, (and most everywhere else) book names are italicized, and names are not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vonfraginoff (talk • contribs) 11:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Unencyclopedic tone

Though I too revere the Chazon Ish, I am not sure the overly enthusiastic tone of this article befits a neutral encyclopedia. I suggest revision for tone/style. 79.183.236.154 (talk) 08:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Leader?

Considering that he did not hold an official position (refusing to be involved in politics, therefore declining to participate in the Agudah), I'm not sure it is accurate to say that he was a Haredi "leader". He did inspire Haredim, who were devoted to him and his teachings. But I suggest we reword the term "leader" which connotes some agreed relationship. The article as worded is inconsistent. --Gil (talk) 18:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

100% agree. This page does not mention anything about the legacy of almost unceasing, often bitter, controversy which characterised his life in Israel. Even Charedi biographies celebrate his tendency to confrontation with the Zionists.

To the unsigned comment above: I suggest that we are not in agreement on the conclusion. The charedi biographies speak of him as a leader of their movement. He was not. When moving to Eretz Yisrael, he elected to live in B'nei Brak (which at the time was not the hub of charedim that it eventually became), rather than Jerusalem (which was). He avoided being involved in the bitter controversies that were plaguing the religious factions in Jerusalem. Rather than advocating political positions that were pro or against various movements (Religious Zionism, Agudah, Neturai Karta, etc.) he was content to study Torah and sell his books. He declined to serve in any official position of leadership in any movement. However, he clearly held strong opinions about many matters that involved political considerations, and if you asked him, he would share his opinions. But he sought no title or role, other than to be an "ish" -- a man who shared his vision of Torah with those who wanted to study it. So I suggest that the article not indicate that he was a leader of a movement or that he confronted movements with opposition. The title "leader" is historically inaccurate. He apparently inspired other leaders, but he himself was a teacher of Torah, not a politician in a religious movement. Gil (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

How can a serious biography ignore the cpntroversy over the issue of enlisting females in the IDF? What about the various shabbos wars? The educational institutions he set up (Kollel Chazzon Ish)? 20:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

apperantly the chazon ish never became a rabbi, and therefore needs to have the title rabbi removed from this article. . . see here [1]74.138.78.83 (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

source is from the new york times. I'd remove it myself but don't know how. 74.138.78.83 (talk) 16:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

References

Camels and Wagons

Who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.9.6 (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

In Israel, this story is considered symbolic to the relations between Haredi and Secular Judaism. Up to this day one can find secular jews explaining why "their wagon" is not empty. DGtal (talk) 08:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The story as described in this article is suspect -- as there was only one other witness to the event. It is very difficult to believe that the Chazon Ish was anything but respectful to the head-of-state. It was his nature to show respect to people, even when he disagreed with their philosophy (e.g. he showed respect to Rav Kook, and to Rav Chaim of Brisk, though he disagreed with them both on many matters). As a humble man who followed halacha with great care, he would be very careful to not verbally attack Ben Gurion. After all, he invited him into his home. The story as told and retold (with many variations) seemingly indicates what people wished he said. Gil (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)