Talk:Autocephaly of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine

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From 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism: Peter, Laurence (October 17, 2018). "Orthodox Church split: Five reasons why it matters". BBC. Retrieved October 17, 2018.
From Vladimir Putin: Watson, Rob (10 February 2007). "Putin's speech: Back to cold war? Putin's speech: Back to cold war?". BBC.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

past tense for the lead

The autocephaly grant is an historical event. It occurred in the past. It is not an ongoing process. There is no need to use the continuing-present tense. The past tense is the correct grammatical constuct to use. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Laurel Lodged:I have never contested your change concerning the title of the article. I approve the title "Grant of autocephaly to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine" and never tried to change it since you changed it. Veverve (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yet you insist that the following should be the first sentance: "On 11 October 2018 the synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate announced that it would grant autocephaly...". This is not consistent with your statement above since the use of "would" is conditional tense, not the past tense. The use of "would" implies that there is some doubt about the historical event. @Veverve: Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:30, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Laurel Lodged:In this case, the "would" implies the future when talking about the past. It is the only way I found to explain the 11 October decision did not grant autocephaly immediatly. Veverve (talk) 15:35, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's a solution in search of a problem. Start with the past tense in the first sentence and the problem disappears. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not get what you mean by "Start with the past tense in the first sentence" Veverve (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is the past tense: "On 5 January 2019, Bartholomew I, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople signed the tomos that granted autocephaly (self-governorship) to the Eastern Orthodox Church in the modern state of Ukraine." Are you OK with this?Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because I believe the events should be exposed in their chronological order. Veverve (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given that it has now already happened, I have to agree with Laurel Lodged. The article should report first that it has occurred before giving a history of it.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I forgot to state it in the history of this article, but this article was originally a copy-paste from from 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism Veverve (talk) Veverve (talk) 18:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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