Talk:Diagnosis of autism

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On 14 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Autism diagnostic process to Diagnosis of autism. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 14 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Although there was some talk about moving to a specific title about disagnosis in children, it sounds like more information will be added to cover more age groups soon. If not, another move discussion can be opened. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Autism diagnostic process → Diagnosis of autism – I believe it makes sense to have a general article on diagnosing autism (and closely related conditions, e.g., PDD-NOS), rather than having an article specific to one or some (presumably modern) diagnostic processes. This new, broader article could also be a place where various screening and assessment tools are summarized. Most books on autism conditions written for psychiatrists and psychologists contain such a part/chapter. TempusTacet (talk) 10:35, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Although given the current scope of the article, Diagnosis of autism in children would be more appropriate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree but I'd rather we add some information on diagnosis in other age groups (possible sources for diagnosis in adults include doi:10.1007/978-3-030-28833-4_3 and doi:10.1177/1362361320903128) than immediately start with a separate article on diagnosis in children.--TempusTacet (talk) 15:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome into this article

Not merged. (non-admin closure) ^Queen of _Hearts 05:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The article Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome covers much of the same content, in addition to re-telling the changes brought about by the DSM-5 and the discussion whether AS can meaningfully be separated from autistic disorder/childhood autism, which is/should be covered in Asperger syndrome. The diagnostic process is for the most part identical, many instruments developed for diagnosing AS such as the Adult Asperger Assessment (AAA) or the Ritvo Autism and Asperger Diagnostic Scale are used for diagnosing DSM-5 ASD and instruments like the ADI-R are/were also used for diagnosing AS.--TempusTacet (talk) 07:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, as there are meaningful historical/historiographic differences here. While the AD/AS distinction didn't work out in the long run, there was definitely a lot of effort put into distinguishing them from a diagnostic perspective, including particular supposed cognitive patterns (e.g. the VIQ > PIQ vs PIQ > VIQ 'distinction', which is particularly notable because it was retroactively invented by its influence on diagnostic patterns), the perspectives of people like Gillberg that differed from DSM language, and the dispute over the relationship between Asperger's and other ASDs (it's striking to read 1980s papers on "childhood schizotypal personality disorder" and see the very consistent agreement that "the first description of childhood STPD was by Asperger"). That's not necessarily to say the article does the best job of clarifying how Asperger's diagnosis differed from autism diagnosis, particularly the variant criteria, but it doesn't do too bad a job either. Vaticidalprophet 00:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The political motivations which pressured the medical community into conflating Aspergers Syndrome with autism are highly controversial within the Aspergers community. As brain scans demonstrate that they have opposite causes, from a scientific perspective it is absurd to consider them anything but distinct conditions. 1.127.107.51 (talk) 11:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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university assignment

Hi, Im student from Uskudar University. I edit this article (Diagnosis of autism) as an assignment for my course (Recent Developments in Biotechnology). I already completed Wikipedia training modules to be proficient in Wikipedia editing. I would appreciate any support. Best wishes, ASMA HADAD Asmahadad23 (talk) 18:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Traumnovelle, I notice that a few months ago, you removed the ==External links== section, which contained this:

https://embrace-autism.com/autism-tests/ – website with examples of some screening questionnaires

My thinking is that this is a website run by qualified mental health professionals,[1] so it's not just a personality quizzes like "Which Hogwarts House are You?". The tests include notable psychometric tests, such as the Autism-spectrum quotient, Empathy quotient, Systemizing Quotient–Revised, Ritvo Autism and Asperger Diagnostic Scale, Liebowitz social anxiety scale, Yale–Brown Obsessive–Compulsive Scale, and more.

I think that it would be interesting and informative to readers to be able to see the variety of tests and to see what kinds of questions they contain (e.g., that they're not 'trick questions' that magically identify a trait based on seemingly unrelated; they ask things like "Do you have trouble knowing whether it's your turn to talk on a telephone call?" rather than "If you like yellow flowers better than white ones, then you're probably autistic"). I think that seeing the tests would be particularly educational for the (mostly non-autistic) people who read the page. I agree with you that it's not a substitute for a proper diagnosis, but I think that it's fair to have "examples of some questionnaires" anyway.

In the past, a few editors have suggested that Wikipedia should not provide images of the Rorschach test, because they believe that people should only see them while they're talking to a mental health professional. For me, that falls in the WP:NOTCENSORED range, but I acknowledge that it is a view some people hold. Maybe some people feel that way about these questionnaires, too. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it's run by health professionals it is just an online quiz and can't diagnose. It also doesn't fall under the EL criteria and is a can of worms with selectively choosing which autism quiz to have (there are a lot). Traumnovelle (talk) 00:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like an WP:ELYES item to me: "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons." We can't integrate the entire tests into Wikipedia articles, so we should link to them.

I'm not sure why "it is just an online quiz and can't diagnose" is relevant. You're right: it is just an online quiz and can't diagnose. So? Body mass index#External links has links to two online calculators. They can't diagnose anything either. The point isn't to diagnose anyone. The point is to provide information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]