Talk:Auguste Marie Raymond d'Arenberg

Who was the old Count de la Marck

The text says "The Cunot de la Marck, the last of his name, and the father-in-law of the Duke d'Arenberg".

The Duke of d'Arenberg was at the time of the sentence was Auguste's grandfather Leopold Philippe d'Arenberg (1690–1754) his father was Philippe Charles d'Arenberg(1663 - 1691) (Auguste's greatgrandfather). Philippe Charles "Married Maria Enrichetta, the daughter of Othon Henri del Caretto, Marquis of Savona (1629-1685) in Brussels on February 12, 1684."(his wikipedia page). So on the death of Othon Henri the title of "Compte de la Marck" passed to his grandson Leopold Philippe and on his death it was passed to Auguste. Trouble is that I must have misunderstood as Othon Henri was long since dead by 1750 and could not have arranged anything.

If the Duke of d'Arenberg mentioned in the sentence was Charles Marie Raymond of Arenberg. His father was Leopold Philippe d'Arenberg. Leopold married Marie-Françoise Pignatelli, princess of Bisaccia and countess d'Egmont. She was the daughter of Nicolas PIGNATELLI, duc de Bisaccia et de Marie-Claire-Angélique d’EGMONT. Réf. : Nobilaire des Pays-Bas et du comte de Bourgogne par Vergiano – Tome III p. 1232 Therefor the Old Count de la Marck would have been Nicolas PIGNATELLI.

--PBS (talk) 10:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I found a source Honoré-Gabriel de Riquetti Mirabeau (comte de), Auguste Marie Raymond Arenberg (prince d', comte de La Marck), Adolphe Fourier de Bacourt. Correspondance entre le comte de Mirabeau et le comte de La Marck: pendant les années 1789, 1790 et 1791 voume 1, V. Le Normant, 1851 p. 280 which in translation says:

Charles-Marie Raymond succeeded his father in 1754. In 1748 he had married Louise Margaret, daughter and sole heir of Louis Engelbert, last male descendant of the Counts de la Marck, whose lands and lordships in the domain of the House of Arenberg.— Louise-Marguerite descended straight from Guillaume de la Marck, called le Sanglier des Ardennes, third son of Jean d'Arenberg and Anne de Virnebourg, as discussed above. - With the houses of La Marck reuniting with Arenberg, it was agreed that one of these to be born of this marriage would be known as the comte de la Marck.

duc Charles-Marie Raymond d'Arenberg had two sons Engelbert Louis and Auguste Marie Raymond.

Louis Engelbert married on 19 January 1773, Louise-Pauline-Antoinetle Candide, daughter duc Leopold of Brancas-Villars, comte de Lauraguais, and succeeded his father, August 17, 1778.—After the union of Belgium to France, he became, under the empire of Napoleon, a French Senator. Le duc Louis Engelbert of Arenberg. died on 7 March 1820, leaving children who are now the elder branch of the House of Arenberg.

Auguste-Marie Raymond d'Arenberg, took as agreed, the title of Count de La Marck, on the death of his maternal grandfather, Louis Engelbert de La Marck, and inherited, under this title, the owner of the regiment La Marck, which his grandfather had in the service of France. Also under this name he iigura among the members of the States General of France, 1789.-It was great to Spain first class, and reached the rank of Marshal of the camp, remaining owner Colonel of the regiment German infantry that bears his name. - Later, he returned to the service of Austria, his first home, and was General Staff. He married on 23 November 1774, Marie-Françoise-Augusline-Ursule, iille of Augus-tin-Marie Dane, marquis de Cernay, Lieutenant General and Governor of Quesnoy. - It took her an only son Ernest Engelbert, who was successively married: (1) A Marie-Thérèse. t'omtessedeWindisch-Graetz, (2) to Sophie-Caroline-Marie, Prince Charles Iille of Auersperg. -Ernest Prince d'Arenberg Engellierl now lives in Austria 1851).

So the solution was a little different from my understanding of the original source! Just as well I checked. --PBS (talk) 18:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)