Talk:August (song)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 12:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

This article was put up for second opinion by The Ultimate Boss, but they mistakenly blanked the review page which is incorrect in this context but I have filled it in with the appropriate templates and I will take on this article soon! --K. Peake 07:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Add the release date of the song on the album to the infobox; source this in the body (ignore that removal by SNUGGUMS since it is common to use release dates if there's not a separate release and that's acceptable as long as you are not using the incorrect template)

• Added

• Lowercase stylization is not sourced anywhere in the body

•  Done

• "Taylor Swift, taken from her eighth studio album" → "Taylor Swift from her eighth studio album,"

•  Done, but in another way

• "It was written and produced by" → "The song was written and produced by both"

•  Done

• ""August" is a" → "It is a"

•  Done

• Target ballad to Sentimental ballad

•  Done

• "with lush guitars, strings," → "with guitars, strings," with the target (guitars are not sourced as lush and the word is not notable for the lead anyway)

•  Done

• "Alongside fellow tracks" → "Alongside fellow album tracks" to be specific about what ties them together

•  Done

• "James and an" → "James, and an"
• Are you sure mistress is the correct language for the lead when the body calls her a teenager?

•  Done

• ""August" is written from" → "The song is written from"
• "picking it as an album highlight." → "picking it as a highlight of Folklore."

•  Done

• The U.S. chart positions should come first, as that is Swift's native country

•  Done

• Remove the "upon release" part from the top 20 sentence since it is not notable for the lead

•  Done

• Is the comma needed after the Hot 100?

•  Done

• "on the Billboard Hot Rock & Alternative Songs." → "on the Billboard Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart." with the target

•  Done

Background and production

• "for Swift's previous albums" → "for Swift's previous studio albums" per this starting a section

•  Done

• Mention that Swift also produced "August", as everything written in the lead needs to be in the body too

•  Done

• Instead of being at the end of both the last two sentences, [2] should only be at the end of the final one

•  Done

• "As with the rest of" → "As with other tracks on"

Lyrics and composition

• Are you sure it wouldn't be better to start the sentence by writing "Swift wrote "August" alongside..." and mentioning the other songs there?

•  Done

• Where does the EW ref mention James and the teenager?

•  Done It was mentioned in Vulture, which directly quoted Swift

• "she wanted to explore the perspective" → "she wanted to explore the idea" per the source

•  Done

• The James and relationship with someone else parts are not mentioned by the source

• It is pretty nuanced since it is not directly mentioned ("because there was another situation that had already been in place"), but I added the Rolling Stone source which directly mentions the James-Betty love thing

• The naive part is not mentioned by [5], so add [4] directly before it at the end of that sentence

•  Done

• Wikilink imagery, but this is not directly sourced as what the image inspired

•  Done

• "is never explicitly mentioned by name," → "is never mentioned by name," to avoid repetition
• ""Augusta" or "Augustine"." → ""Augusta" or "Augustine" inside the singer's head." to be more specific, per the source

•  Done; I used "her" as I don't like WP:ELEVAR

• "She recalls the times" → "The narrator recalls the times" because it has been two many sentences since you last used something like this

•  Done

• "she and James will never become a couple," → "her and James will not become a couple," per the source wording, plus avoid repetition of she

•  Done

• "so does the infatuation," → "so does the romance,"

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on guitars for the audio sample text, plus the "wasn't her to lose" quote is not sourced anywhere

• It's a paraphrase of "You weren't mine to lose". Should this be changed to the original?

• Since it is a direct quote, yes. --K. Peake 07:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Indie pop genre is not sourced; if you can't back it up, change the opening to something like "Compared to the rest of Folklore,"

• Changed to "folk-inspired" because the source does say about the folk sounds

• "another producer on" → "a producer on" because there is no other producer in the section that this is linked to

•  Done

• "haze to it"." → "haze to it."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences

• Is it though? I don't think it's a full-on sentence here

• "It has this shimmering summer haze to it." – the source

• "It is a gloomy" → "Musically, "August" is a gloomy"

•  Done

• Target ballad to Sentimental ballad

• Left it per WP:NOTBROKEN

• This does not apply here, as the issue is the wrong ballad article being piped to, not a redirect. --K. Peake 07:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• "incorporating 1990s-influenced guitars, vocal reverberation and" → "that incorporates 1990s-influenced guitars, vocal reverberation, and" per the wikilink being obvious

• Link to guitar could be beneficial to some readers

• Seems like too obvious of a term; everyone knows what a guitar is and it's not some specific type like acoustic. --K. Peake 07:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Are you sure the source really works for calling the strings lush because it refers to them as "shivering"?

• Changed it back to "shivering"

• "and minimal synthesizers, "subtle" → "minimal synthesizers, and "subtle" because the latter is the last element of the list

•  Done

• The A.V. Club refers to "August" as among "Songs [that] echo other artists", which comes after the listed instrumentation; are you sure this is properly sourced?

• I think it does, based on my personal experience listening to this album (I know it's OR, lol), and this paragraph specifically mentions this song and "Epiphany" as two songs on the album that do not rely on "honyed piano"

Critical reception

• Retitle to Reception because the third para is dedicated to rankings, plus if you add the release date here at the start then retitle to Release and reception (alternatively, you can do this for commercial performance)
• I don't think the sources are good for representation since they are only two reviews; if the sentence is backed up by these, then just remove it especially because it can be seen what reviewers praised in this section anyway

• I included them there because they do offer praises to the song, but with not much substance like other sources.

• Target innocent to Innocent (Taylor Swift song)

• I don't think it alludes to the song, but to her image overall (you know, the Love Story kind of girl)

• "one of Swift's best in her discography." → "one of the best in Swift's discography."

•  Done

• "selected the song as one of the album's" → "both selected the song as one of Folklore's"

•  Done

• Shouldn't [19] be after [12] as well as in its current place?
• The source says the source was indie, not indie folk

•  Done

• "but found her songwriting" → "but found certain lyrics of hers" for accurate representation

•  Done

• "did not succeed in" → "does not succeed in"

•  Done

• You should mention the Complex list being Edwin Ortiz's as well as the ranking, plus refer to the other two as being unranked

•  Done

• Chicago Tribune → the Chicago Tribune, for the correct usage of "the"

•  Done

• "Vulture's Nate Jones wrote about" → "Jones wrote about" plus mention the ranking was at number 36

• I don't think the rank at #36 says much, given that the comment is complimentary enough. Revised the rest

• "Rob Sheffield picked it among" → "Sheffield listed it among"

•  Done

Commercial performance

• "It debuted and peaked" → "The song simultaneously debuted and peaked"

•  Done

• "on the Hot Rock & Alternative Songs," → "on the US Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart,"

•  Done

• "The song peaked within" → ""August" further peaked within"

•  Done

• The positions should be ordered geographically, so start with Canada, then Australia and follow those with the other two

• Shouldn't numerical order be better though? I wouldn't want to see positions time-warping from 16 to 12 and then to 13

• The guideline for commercial performance is to order these geographically, even if it may seem awkward. --K. Peake 07:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Could you link the guideline? Even so, it is a guideline and not a carved-on-the-stone policy, so I think it can be adjusted here and there. HĐ (talk) 01:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Charts

• Good

Notes

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks too high at 51.0%; cut quoting from the EW ref to resolve this
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Author link Rob Sheffield on ref 5
• Author link Kitty Empire on ref 22
• Target Vulture to Vulture (website) on ref 27 for consistency
• Add via Facebook to ref 32

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; glad to have completed this review after accepting the second opinion position! --K. Peake 12:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Thank you for the review. I have responded to your comments above. Let me know if anything else should be addressed. HĐ (talk) 02:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• @HĐ: The article definitely looks better now, I just left a few comments where you have disagreed with my suggestions. --K. Peake 07:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

  Kyle Peake, Apart from the commercial performance section, I believe I have addressed everything. HĐ (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

• HĐ ✓ Pass now, even though we disagree on the commercial performance point honestly there's no MOS guideline that I'm aware of so it's not too much an issue. --K. Peake 07:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)