Talk:Aufheben

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in German 'Aufheben' is used for the English expression describing "cancelling each other out". Hefgel and Marx clearly had their own idea of what they meant when using the term, but speaking of a translation this article gives the wrong idea.

The Kaufmann nonsense needs to go asap. He clearly cannot speak German or is lying to Americans deliberately to invent a new case. Aufhebung is cancelling each other out/annulment. That's literally what German philosophers mean. "Pick up" is not "Aufhebung" (which is a substantive!!!). aufheben is pick up, but it's not the word they're using. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.252.83.209 (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It would be unwise to assume that philosophers use words only in their usual meaning. Many, if not all of them, have a tendency to add meanings in a creative way, some to a degree that is off-putting. And one of the easiest ways to do it, is to go back to the original meaning of a verb that is used as a substantive by an added suffix -ung. Since I am a native speaker of German, I'll add this information:

"Aufhebung" means "lifting" like in "lifting of sanctions" and that's pretty much all it ever means, in other words the lifting of laws or orders under which you had to live.

However, "aufheben", literally "lift up", is used in many cases, like "to pick up a mushroom", but also to store something, either because you lift it up onto a shelf or a "high and dry place" or because, before you can store a mushroom, you have to pick it up. By the way, the same happens in English when it comes to expressions that are stored in one's mind, like when you say "Oh, he picked it up from this ghastly boy." Well, and that's it. Nothing that you wouldn't know from English: "lift the sanctions", "pick up the pencil you dropped", "he picked up a slang word". Seemingly contradictory my foot. 46.131.41.188 (talk) 08:42, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I put a few edits. This is my first, I hope it's usable. Aufheben 18:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken out the geocities link because that page is not kept up to date and the content is also available at the lib com library link along with newer articles, and i've added back in the line 'British ... concept' JK. 21:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that this be linked with the aufhebung page which is in better shape and is the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.176.84 (talk) 06:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disappointment

This page needs a contributor to seriously devote some time to fixing it up. Aufheben is a powerful concept used by both Hegel and Marx in their work but this page sheds absolutely no light on that. Instead, it is a very general and superficial description.

Also, thesis antithesis and synthesis are concepts that were NOT used by Hegel but rather Fitche.

See the wiki page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Thesis,_antithesis,_synthesis

The triad thesis, antithesis, synthesis is often used to describe the thought of German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel. Hegel never used the term himself, and almost all of his biographers have been eager to discredit it....The terminology was largely developed earlier by the neo-Kantian Johann Gottlieb Fichte...

I agree. Acalycine (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the difference between Fichte and Hegel is that Fichte writes in such a way that everybody can understand him. So obviously, you wouldn't want to use Hegel's own words in order to describe his thinking. The idea communicated by thesis, antithesis and synthesis is Hegel's idea all right, only that Hegel wouldn't have liked it if every man on the street could tell you what he thinks of it, like: "Of course, you try something, then you see what you've done wrong and then you make amends." 46.131.33.194 (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]