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[edit]This article contains two major errors. 1. First Paragraph: AWMM is a provincial museum, not a national one. 2. "There are two 'Halls of Memory' within the museum, whose walls, together with a number of additional marble slabs, list the names of all known New Zealand soldiers killed in major conflicts during the 20th Century.[9]" No actually, as a provincial museum it only lists the names of those from the auckland province, or who served with an auckland battalion during WW1 and 2. All of NZ would take up significantly more wall-space. 222.155.186.151 (talk) 03:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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Merger proposal
[edit]I'd like to propose that Auckland Institute and Museum be merged into this article. I work for Auckland Museum so (as I understand it), I can't edit either page. — Hugh 23:07, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Resources for expansion
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Kia ora. I work at Auckland Museum and thus cannot edit the Museum's article, but would like to point out a number of pages on our website that might be useful to anyone wanting to flesh out the article, particularly with information about the collections:
- Information on the governance of the Museum, including a brief biography of the current director, Dr. David Gaimster.
- General information on our collections, plus information on the:
- Documentary Heritage collections, with sub-pages on the Manuscripts and Pictorial collections.
- Human History collections, with sub-pages on the Applied Arts and Design, Archaeology, and Ethnology collections.
- Natural Science collections, with sub-pages on the Botany and Land Vertebrates collections.
- A brief history of the Museum, with supplementary articles linked under "Further reading". (This page is already referenced in the article.)
- Information on ongoing and past research undertaken by staff, as well as information on the various publications the Museum produces.
- Information on the Pacific Collection Access Project, a three-year project enlisting Pacific communities to enhance our understanding of items in the collection.
I realise it's not ideal to persistently cite the Museum's own website in an article about it, but there is a wealth of reporting involving the Museum in a multitude of newspapers and other media outlets that could also be referenced.
It would be good if a table of Directors of the museum could be incorporated into the article; I will work on this in a sandbox and will link to it as a reply here.
This expansion request is in addition to the above merge request, which still stands. Thank you. — Hugh (talk) 01:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
- Declined Thank you for your proposal. While your wish to expand the Museum's article is an admirable one, you'll understand that for reasons of self sufficiency, it's best that proposals to alter the article be made according to the precepts of the COI edit request system. That system is intended for, and works best when, specific and actionable edit requests are put forward for other editors to act upon. Despite the restrictions in place against COI editors such as yourself from making changes to the article, there are no restrictions against you devising specific edit requests on your own for submission here on the talk page. For assistance with the COI edit request system, there needs to be a certain level of participation on your part for these changes to be carried out. This is how the system works best, and I appreciate your understanding. Please feel free to submit your next edit request at your earliest convenience. Regards, Spintendo ᔦᔭ 10:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
New edit request
[edit]This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Portions of this edit request include text which is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. Please see WP:PARAPHRASE for more information about this requirement. See also the Reply subsection below for further information about your request. |
Hello. In light of the declined request above, I wish to submit a new request.
I have drafted in my userspace a version of the article containing significant improvements to and expansions of, among other areas:
- The infobox (the 'building' box is now nested/embedded within the 'museum' box);
- Expansion of the Early history section, and a breaking out of most of this section into a new section on the 1929 War Memorial building itself
- Significant expansion of the section on collections, with references;
- A new section on the Museum's governance structure, and a list of Directors
This had been worked on in another sandbox and has been put into mine so that one can easily see the difference between the current revision of the article and my suggested changes.
I hope these changes are neutral enough in tone and sufficient enough for some work to be done on expanding and improving the article. Please use my Talk page if you have any questions.
Thank you. — Hugh (talk) 03:53, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Reply 28-JAN-2018
[edit]Declined Portions of text from your proposal are insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. The areas of text where this was evident include that found under the Governance, Botany, and Renovation and extension sub-sections. WP:CLOP states in part:
Close paraphrasing without in-text attribution may constitute plagiarism, and when extensive (with or without in-text attribution) may also violate Wikipedia's copyright policy, which forbids Wikipedia contributors from copying material directly from other sources. Public domain material must likewise be attributed to avoid plagiarism.[1]
The COI editor is invited to revise their edit request proposal so that it follows these guidelines. They may resubmit their request, either in whole or in part, at their earliest convenience.
Regards, Spintendo ᔦᔭ 21:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
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- ^ "Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing". Wikipedia. 7 January 2018.
Follow-up edit request
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Hello. Thank you for your reply. I have modified the draft at User:Hl/sandbox/AM so that it meets what I understand the close paraphrasing requirements to be, and would like to resumbit it for your consideration. Thank you. — Hugh (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Version Ⓑ
[edit]Under the Extended content section below you will find my edit to your proposed draft, which I'm calling version Ⓑ (your draft was version Ⓐ). Information removed from Ⓐ fell for these two reasons:
- Much of the prose was overly stylistic and flowery in nature, much more suited to a coffee table book on the museum than in an encyclopedia article. This text was removed.
- Other elements which merely expounded upon items already present were also removed.
The next step that needs to be taken is for you to look over Ⓑ for any edit-related erratums which need to be fixed. Then, you need to decide which materials already present in the standing article need to be incorporated into Ⓑ below (that is any, if at all). This will then become Ⓒ, which will undergo a final check for errors, grammar, and to ensure compliance with WP:MOS. Then Ⓒ will be placed in the article space. Be sure to reopen a new template once you're ready to proceed. Regards, Spintendo ᔦᔭ 13:49, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Spintendo: Hello. Thank you for your work in creating your version Ⓑ. Do you not consider the information about the history of the museum and its new building (plus the renovations) relevant? You appear to be the only person working on edit requests, which I find odd. I would like an impartial third-party opinion, and will ask for support to this effect on the WP:WPNZ page. Furthermore, in lopping off paragraphs (and references) mid-way through, you have created several nonsensical sentences, among them "[...]but also feature significant holdings of Māori-language material,", and "[...]with more than 20,000 specimen lots.". — Hugh (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I believe that an article on the valuable and important guarantor of New Zealand's priceless cultural history is of extreme importance, and the edits that I made to this draft were along those lines, ensuring that relevant and exigent information be placed there. Most of the information presented in your draft I had no issues with. Despite that, there were concerns over the article's prose that I mentioned to you. Additionally, my job as reviewer is to ensure that the Wikipedia page does not become an extension of the Museum's own website, because that is ultimately not its purpose. Nevertheless, I think the New Zealand Project is an excellent avenue for you to take, they have good people working with that group.
- As far as the two typos you mentioned, these errors were corrected to read as:
"The Paleontology collection was established in the early 1900s. The collection contains more than 20,000 specimen lots."
and"The Library's collection of books and other publications are focused on New Zealand subject areas and were developed chiefly to support curatorial work and collecting. The collection also features significant holdings of Māori-language materials."
- Because Wikipedia has no deadline, there was — and continues to be — plenty of time to develop your draft version with another editor. I wish you the best of luck with it. Regards, Spintendo ᔦᔭ 09:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
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The Auckland War Memorial Museum Tāmaki Paenga Hira (or simply Auckland Museum) is one of New Zealand's most important museums and war memorials. Its collections concentrate on New Zealand history (and especially Māori culture and the history of the Auckland Region); natural history, and the military history of New Zealand. The present museum building, which is considered one of the most iconic in Auckland, was constructed in the 1920s in the neo-classicist style, and sits on a grassed plinth (the remains of a dormant volcano) in the Auckland Domain, a large public park close to the Auckland CBD. Early history Railway Access
Collections, exhibitions and research
Among the personal papers held at the Museum are 19th-century papers relating to the Williams family[29] and the Reverend Vicesimus Lush; the papers of the politician John Logan Campbell,[30] the mountaineer, explorer and philanthropist Edmund Hillary;[31] and those of the British Resident James Busby. In addition, the Library also holds the papers of:
The Library is the repository of the Presbyterian Church records for Auckland and Northland.[28]
In 2009, the Museum acquired a collection of butterflies and books about butterflies bequeathed by the late Ray Shannon, a private collector whose interest in lepidopterology began while he was stationed in the Solomon Islands during the Second World War.[41] The Shannon collection comprises "about 13,000 specimens of just under 3,000 species and subspecies".[41]
Human History Applied Arts
War Memorial function Parts of the museum, as well as the Cenotaph and its surrounding consecrated grounds (Court of Honour) in front of the Museum, also serve as a war memorial, mainly to those who lost their lives in the First and Second World Wars. There are two "Halls of Memory" within the museum, whose walls, together with a number of additional marble slabs, list the names of all known New Zealand soldiers from the Auckland Region killed in major conflicts during the 20th century.[12][57][58]
Hillary estate
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- I've merged the additional content from User:Noideawhatiamdoing/sandbox/Auckland War Memorial Museum into this article, as per User:Fayenatic london's suggestion of the draft (except for the Infobox building content - it was displaying two maps). I'm currently employed at the museum as their Wikimedian in Residence, so will not continue to edit the content - I've just incorporated the pre-vetted material to be available on the main Wiki space. Feel free to alter any material if there are WP:NPOV or WP:COI concerns (if there are, I'll submit the changes as a draft). --Prosperosity (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Edit request
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Kia ora! At the moment, the article states that the museum's chairperson is William Randall, but currently the position is held by Richard Bedford[1]. Would someone be able to update the article on my behalf? --Prosperosity (talk) 22:11, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Edit request
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- Specific text to be added or removed: '2017–2023: David Gaimster' in "Secretaries, curators and directors" and changing the director to 'David Reeves (acting)' in the infobox.
- Reason for the change: David Gaimster left the museum in June 2023.
- References supporting change: Gaimster, David (June 2023). "Haere rā from Dr David Gaimster". Auckland War Memorial Museum. Retrieved 6 July 2023. --Prosperosity (talk) 02:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Reply 5-JUL-2023
[edit]Edit request implemented Spintendo 03:07, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Resources to add
[edit]Here a few potential sources of info that editors could add to the article in the future:
- Nichola Te Kiri collaborates with Auckland Museum on Māori inspired uniforms (2020)
- How Auckland museum is unpacking centuries of colonial legacy and indigenising itself (2020)
- Winners announced at the 2021 Interior Awards (2021)
- New Zealand Building Industry Awards: Congratulations to all our winners! (2021) --Prosperosity (talk) 23:27, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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