Talk:Atul Gawande

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August 17, 2020	Good article nominee	Not listed
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MacArthur Fellowship

Seen on the MacArthur Fellow Program page: Atul Gawande is a recipient of what is commonly referred to as a "genius" grant. Also, the latest set of winners ought to be added to that wikipage.

Maybe need to get something up there on Checklists? http://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0805091742/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263624400&sr=8-1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmathews (talk • contribs) 06:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know...?

That all of the place names mentioned in the article are in the United States of America? Y'did? So why the fuck do you want to keep it secret from all those English speaking readers who may not be so familiar? LessHeard vanU (talk) 01:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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Hi - The article says Dr. Gawande worked on Al Gore's 1988 presedential campaign. Mr. Gore ran for president in 2000. THank you. Siobhan Grogan, MLS, Cragin Memorial Library, Colchester, Connecticut, USA 207.210.133.218 (talk) 20:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 20:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 08:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Atul Gawande/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 23:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Following negative feedback on a recent review of mine, I'm inviting another reviewer to take a look. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio and plagiarism check

A search using Earwig's Copyvio Detector showed a few matches above 10%, but going through these, most of the similarity is due to titles, positions, institution names etc. No concerns.

Infobox

What is the source for date of birth?

Lead

Pending I'll look at this last.

Early years and education

WP:AGF re the Athens News source, as it's not available in my country.
Is there a more independent source for "(PPE) from Balliol College, Oxford"? (He is Executive Director of Ariadne Labs, the source used here.)
"He completed his general surgical residency training, again at Harvard, in 2003." - source needed.

Political career

"He returned to medical school in 1993 and earned a medical degree in 1995" - seems to overlap with part of the Early years and education section.

Journalism

First paragraph needs a source or sources.
Reword "caught the eye of The New Yorker"
"compared the health care of" - what was compared? This phrase isn't very specific.
"two towns in Texas" - McAllen is mentioned in the article, what was the other?
The FT reference needs to be expanded. (e.g. using a cite news or cite web template.)
The paragraph starting "In addition to his popular writing..." needs sources.

Books

First paragraph ("Gawande published his first book...") should have an independent supporting source, not Gawande's own website. A brief description of what the book was about could be added.
"reached the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list" - consider adding the position reached.
"It challenges many traditionally held notions about the role of medicine" - can examples be provided?
I think the external video links should go down in the External Links section (see comment below about renaming from "Interviews and Talks")

Later career

"He stepped down from the position in May 2020" - probably worth mentioning his stated reason for this.

Awards and honors

The time.com reference needs some more details.
"he was named by Foreign Policy magazine to its list of top global thinkers" needs a reword (e.g. "he was included by Foreign Policy magazine on its list of top global thinkers")
Is there an independent source instead of Gawande's on site for the awards in the fourth paragraph?

References

Pending

Interviews and talks

I think this section should be called External Links, as per MOS:LAYOUTEL.

Second opinion by Larry Hockett

I came to this review because of a request for a second opinion by the original reviewer, User:BennyOnTheLoose. I found that I agreed with the substance of the original GA review. I was going to add a few items to the review, but I was concerned that the original feedback (from mid-June) did not appear to have been addressed in any way. The nominator left a message at Talk:Atul Gawande saying that he was busy with school but that he would address the feedback after his summer school final exams.

About 30 days have passed since the nominator's message was posted, but there have been no substantive edits to the entry since Benny's review. I pinged the nominator over a week ago, and User:BlueMoonset reached out on the nominator's user talk page about five days ago, but there has been no response. I consulted with BennyOnTheLoose per WP:GAN/I#2O, and I believe we agree that it is time to close the review. The nominator can re-nominate it at any point when he has more availability to respond to GA review feedback.

Before a subsequent nomination here is some additional feedback that editors may wish to consider.

When we say that Gawande's article "made waves", it seems incomplete not to give the source (and rationale) of that quote. Sure, the reader can look at the reference, but this feels important enough to include in the prose.

Reliable sources say that Gawande remained chairman of the board for Haven Healthcare when he stepped down as CEO.

I'm not sure that the reader ever gets a clear sense of what Haven Healthcare does. Is it a chain of medical clinics? A research lab? An investment firm?

Gawande provided advice on reopening schools amid COVID-19, and it seems to have gotten a fair amount of coverage, but the article hasn't been edited much recently, so that isn't included.

The section on awards and honors could use some reorganization to enhance readability. It starts off with mentions for being an influential figure in healthcare, then gets into awards based on his research and science writing, then goes back to more "most influential" mentions.

Thanks to the nominator for bringing this article forward. I think this is a good start toward a GA, and once the issues with wording, sourcing and organization get sorted out, I can see this going through the GA process successfully. Closing for now. Larry Hockett (Talk) 18:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, Larry Hockett. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GAN

Just wanted to comment that I am the editor that brought this article to GAN and have worked on this article in the past. I currently have final exams for my summer courses coming up but plan to address the suggestions included in User:BennyOnTheLoose's GA review afterwards. Vrrajkum (talk) 14:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vrrajkum. I'm answering a second opinion request from the initial GA reviewer. I agree with most of the feedback already posted and I have a few more things, so before I post that stuff, I thought I would see whether you're able to respond to GA review feedback now. GA reviews are typically wrapped up within about seven days. While that's not a hard-and-fast requirement, I'm concerned that the initial review feedback seems to have gone unaddressed for a month and a half.

We all get busy at times, and most of our lives have been altered significantly in recent months, so it is certainly fine if you decide that you don't want to continue with the review for now. I think you have a good start at a GA run, but there are areas that need to be fleshed out and other areas that need to be reorganized before this reaches GA status.

If you reply in the next few days and can work pretty efficiently though the feedback, I'll be happy to continue the GA review. If not, it may be better to close the nomination for now; you could then work on addressing the initial feedback at your leisure before nominating it again. Right now there is a backlog of GA nominations (especially in science and medicine), so I am trying to be smart about reviewing nominations that have a high likelihood of promotion. I appreciate your understanding on this, and I thank you for improving Wikipedia's coverage of science/medicine topics. Larry Hockett (Talk) 15:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GAN history

For my own clarification (and for anyone else), appears that Vrrajkum edited the article in 2015, nominated if for GA in summer of 2020, and it failed. BennyOnTheLoose was the reviewer. Subsequently, Benny has edited the article, and then submitted it to GA on 4 July 2021. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@David notMD: Useful comment, thank you. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 14:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Psiĥedelisto (talk · contribs) 07:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: This article has a complicated history vis-à-vis the GAN process. Vrrajkum first requested GA. He didn't have time to implement changes, and after a 2O by Larry Hockett, (which seems to have partly been requested to give him more time—clever if you ask me), the article was failed. The original editor never returned, but then BennyOnTheLoose adopted first the article, and then the GAN. I can almost pass this, but two details failed verification. Also, minor comment, citation style could use work… especially citations four through six, which have stuff like "www.hsph.harvard.edu" in the website field and not Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. However, the failed verifications are going to be the reason I'll have to fail this in a week if you can't get to it. (No 2O request this time. 😉) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 14:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Psiĥedelisto. Thanks for taking on the review and for your edits. I've amended the source for the Hasting Centre fellowship and removed the fv tag from there. For the Reith Lectures, I've removed the "annual" bit as that isn't essential IMO, and I believe that the source now supports the info there. (If you click "show more" on ref 38, it says "This first of four lectures was recorded before an audience at the John F Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum in Dr. Gawande's home town of Boston in Massachusetts. The other lectures are recorded in London, Edinburgh and Delhi.") but I've kept the fv tag there in case I've misunderstood what failed verification. I've amended the website parameters in a few citations. Let me know about anything else that is required. (Oh, and one thing more to add to that article history - it was me that requested the second opinion. I think I addressed everything that was in the original reviews except adding that "Gawande provided advice on reopening schools amid COVID-19", as that seemed to lack sustained coverage.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: Thanks for the quick work! Luckily not much at all remained as this article is very well written. I imagine the only reason it languished from July to now over on WP:GAN is the complicated history of its journey to GA status. Sorry about the error on the second {{failed verification}} tag, I don't know what happened there other than human error as explained in the WP:ES. Yes, I did note that you requested the 2O, I thought it was nice of you to give the requester more time when they explained their situation, and your reason anyway for wanting one was valid, but it wasn't essential so I just think it was a nice thing. Anyway, without further ado

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Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 20:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 06:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]