Talk:Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election
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Trump reportedly wanted to join the rioters
[edit]I don't think we have sufficiently weighty RSs to add this to the article, but its in the media and I wanted to note them for followup later. Politico had this scoop,[1] which has spawned (of course) a cascade of other media stories based on the original Politco piece. Apparently a secret service agent, Trumps lead guy, gave closed (not public testimony). The committee hasn't disclosed it. So what we have here is he said..... he heard it from a friend.....that the other person told a bunch of people..... stuff (Politico heard it from a source that the agent testified to the panel.) This is why I don't think the report has enough WEIGHT to be added to the article. But it sure is interesting. Even as the violence was happening, Trump was tryhing to talk his detail into taking him down to the capitol. Instead they took him to the White House. At least, if the report is accurate.
Imagine if Secret Service had really taken Pence to Andrews and Trump got to the capitol.....
Anyway, the other part of this story that we might be able to use if the committee discloses the agent's testimony is commentary from Professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat, who studies fascism and coups, and opined that "“If you’re having a coup and summoned everybody, and aim to be anointed as the head of a new illegitimate government, you have to be there,” I'm sure there's a weightier RS than HuffPost but for now, [2]
References
- ^ Swan, Betsy Woodruff. "Trump privately raised Jan. 6 Capitol appearance with Secret Service agent, select panel hears". POLITICO.
- ^ "Trump Botched His 'Coup' By Not Marching To Capitol Jan. 6, Says Expert On Autocrats". HuffPost. 12 June 2022.
2022 leaked audio from Bannon about Trump's plan
[edit]In 2022, audio of Steve Bannon saying that Trump planned to declare victory on election night even if he was losing was leaked. This was reported on by several reliable sources (The Washington Post, The Guardian, Business Insider etc). Should there be a mention of this in the article? Wikibenboy94 (talk) 11:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not really as he did in fact declare victory, no one made him. Slatersteven (talk) 14:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've restored my comment back to how it read as an IP had edited it and put "framed to look like they" between the words "was" and "planned".
- I just thought this information would lead more credence to the fact the election fraud claim was a lie. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 23:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- What, a claim by Bannon? Slatersteven (talk) 11:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
The Blaze: "Dems open can of worms by asking about millions of 2020 Biden voters who somehow disappeared in 2024"
[edit]I'm not sure how reliable the Blaze is by wikipedia standards, but the article does include a lot of links to tweets by possibly reliable sources, as well as this link:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-08/democrat-election-conspiracy-theories/104573550
I think this probably deserves inclusion in this article. It would be helpful to hear what others here think.
The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:RSP, The Blaze is not reliable. Conspiracy theories on social media are not worth mentioning, I don't think. Not unless they develop into an actual movement, like Stop the Steal. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment, and for letting me know about how wikipedia views the Blaze.
- The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 22:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I just came across this:
- https://www.wired.com/story/election-denial-conspiracy-theories-x-left-blueanon/
- The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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