Talk:Attaque à outrance

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A discussion about origin of the doctrine

Hi All

In Alistair Horne's "Verdun 1916" ISBN-13: 978-0140022155 - there's a section regarding the origin of this doctrine. Horne attributes the development of the doctrine to Lt. Col. De Grandmansion (spellcheck please), as he was the chief of staff for the French strategic planning. It is from here that the phrase "With mounted bajonettes you shall enforce the will upon your enemy" and "The only two things that matters is: Where's the enemy, and what are going to do to him".

The reason for this perspective to be discussed is of course, that the doctrine in itself may have costed several (ten- og hundred-) thousands of men their life, as Joffre was a firm believer of this tactic. "The Miracle at Marne" was therefore not Joffre's abilities but rather his luck. The book also describes Joffre as working very little and being lazy and generally incompetent.

So the subject may matter to both "First_Battle_of_the_Marne" and Joffre in himself? Jais Tindborg (talk) 16:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]