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Did you know... that Athanasius Safar, a Syriac Catholic bishop from the Ottoman Empire, left Europe for Mexico in 1689?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Athanasius Safar, a Syriac Catholic bishop from the Ottoman Empire, collected 46,000 Spanish dollars in the New World before his arrest in 1694? Source: Heyberger, Bernard (2018). "Migration of the Middle Eastern Christians and European Protection: A Long History". Middle Eastern Christians and Europe: Historical Legacies and Present Challenges. LIT Verlag Münster. p. 26. ISBN 978-3-643-91023-3.
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Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Date, size, QPQ, refs, neutrality, all GTG. But the hook is a bit bland/confusing regarding the connection between him collecting money and arrest. Can we have an ALT which talks about why he was arrested? It's not illegal to have money, most of the time. Or another ALT, not that there is much to squeeze from this very short entry. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources aren't entirely explicit about why he was denounced, although Heyberger strongly suggests that he was collecting the money for private gain. The really interesting thing is that this Ottoman subject made it all the way to the Americas at an early date, and mention of the arrest is intended to provide a cliffhanger that makes readers want to find out more (t · c) buidhe 17:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus and Buidhe: The fact that this person traveled from the Ottoman Empire to Mexico in 1689 is notable in and of itself. So, in the interest of moving this nom along, I'd propose:

ALT1: ... that Athanasius Safar, a Syriac Catholic bishop from the Ottoman Empire, left Europe for Mexico in 1689?

ALT2: ... that Athanasius Safar, a Syriac Catholic bishop from the Ottoman Empire, was denounced by members of the Franciscans in Mexico?

Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 12:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping to Buidhe. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the new ideas but prefer the original hook since it has more interest value imo(t · c) buidhe 23:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
— Need someone to pick a hook and greenlight this nom or say that a new hook is needed. Mahalo, Musashi1600 (talk) 10:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- This is way outside my comfort zone so I'm not gonna review this, but if I had to pick a hook I'd suggest going with ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - My personal preference is ALT1, ALT0, ALT2 in that order (with a big gap from ALT0 to ALT2). The ALT1 fact proposed checks out, and I leave the rest of Piotrus's review to stand. I will leave it to a promoter to choose which hook they prefer. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]