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Famous Employee

Now I understand Bruce Dickinson is worth a mention, but do we really need a cheesy title like that?

Article title

The article has the wrong title (the work of a vandal?). It is called Flystar but this is the airline's callsign. The article title should be Astraeus (airline) - -- Adrian Pingstone (talk) 17:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are right somebody has moved it to Flystar possibly WP:AGF because Flystar is their branding for scheduled flights[1]. Although the company is still Astraeus Limited and I agree it should be moved back until the airline itself changes name. -- MilborneOne (talk) 19:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Flystar" is not just the callsign, but Astraeus is undergoing full rebranding as "Flystar", eventually this will be the official name of the airline. Whether the article should currently be named as such is a different matter, as the article still refers to Astraeus throughout. I would support reversion to the original name until the new name is made official. -- SempreVolando (talk) 20:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for mentioning vandals above, I had no idea Astraeus was to be renamed - -- Adrian Pingstone (talk) 20:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done - I have re-named the page to Astraeus (airline), pending the full rebranding. SempreVolando (talk) 23:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

B737-300 Aircraft

Please note that the two 737-300 aircraft Astraeus has dry-leased to Seagle Air are not currently on the UK register and are not operated by Astraeus, but by Seagle Air (hence 'dry lease'). They should therefore not appear as part of the current Astraeus fleet. SempreVolando (talk) 11:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, if not states on UK CAA register then they should not be listed. Zaps93 (talk) 11:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - Astraeus own them. If you were renting a car, then the leasing company would still be responsible for that vehicle and a part of that car fleet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.154.169.162 (talk) 08:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If that were the case then G-DIMB, a 767-300 owned by Thomas Cook and on dry lease to Monarch Airlines, should appear in the Thomas Cook Fleet Table! That of course is illogical, the aircraft is operated by Monarch Airlines on their Air Operators Certificate, by their pilots and their cabin crew. Until it returns off lease (incidentally, in April 2010), it has nothing to do with Thomas Cook. The exact same scenario applies with the Seagle Air dry lease from Astraeus. SempreVolando (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"That of course is illogical" - I don't think so. It is Astraeus' aircraft, otherwise, why would Astraeus be paid for the aircraft? Because it is theirs. Ultimately, no one is going to agree and as Astraeus log that they have 11 aircraft then the fact should be deferred to themselves. Email them, ask them how many they have.

But the fleet table is nothing to do with aircraft ownership, it is for showing aircraft operated by the airline in question (per WP:AIRLINES). No one is disputing that Astraeus own the 737-300s, but these aircraft are not operated / flown by Astraeus, just like in my above example where the aircraft is not operated or flown by Thomas Cook. Similarly the aircraft owned by British Airways and Virgin Atlantic but currently in temporary storage are not listed on their fleet tables as they are not currently operated by those airlines (but they still own them). You state that "no one is going to agree" but two editors so far have already agreed. Let's allow other editors to comment here before you simply remove referenced information from the article (including a recently delivered A320 operated by Astraeus which should appear in the fleet list). Thanks. SempreVolando (talk) 14:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Astraeus Airlines

The article has been moved to Astraeus Airlines from Astraeus (airline), just to note that as the company is still legally Astraeus Limited and it has not registered Astraeus Airlines as a trade mark and has not painted the name on to the aircraft. Should we move it back ? MilborneOne (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be changed back, it's not Astraeus Airlines, but rather just Astraeus. Zaps93 (talk) 13:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Major Updates

The major updates recently seen for this article are factual, informative, honest and although COI editing is strongly discouraged, the recent updates are not in violation of the 'neutral point of view', 'what Wikipedia is not', and 'copyright compliance' policies and is written from a NPOV. The facts in the attempted updates are supported by information provided by Astraeus Airlines.

Please see: 20:05, 12 December 2009 MilborneOne (talk | contribs) (5,203 bytes) (→Fleet: not needed the leases change all the time and are not encyclopedic)

The Fleet size also changes all the time. This is the nature of this type of company. So are we saying that the fleet size should now not be included? Also, why was this decision made only now whilst considering the age of this article?

If this article is such a hot one, then I suggest any and all changes regarding facts (including the name) should be discussed prior to the change being made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronson001 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, having the major updates to the article made by a user at Astraeus is not a very good idea and really against the guidelines. If small changes are made then these can be judged to meet the guideline and policies but a large change is difficult to assess what is going on. With regard to the comment about fleet was about the disposition of leased out aircraft nothing to do with the size of the fleet which is sourced to the CAA website and is changed as required - no different to any other airline article. Also consider the addition of words like with flexible terms Our current customers To find out more visit the Astraeus Airlines website., After establishing itself as a reliable charter carrier to the UK leisure tour operators for both summer and winter seasons we extended our fleet , regularly operating for our many ACMI customers. - as you see the sort of langauge that would be expected when the airline edits this article but please remember this is an encyclopedia and not an airline website. So we dont really need every change discussed as these can challenged in the normal change/revert/discuss way but large changes made by airline employees really needs to be discussed. MilborneOne (talk) 20:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See updated version —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.154.169.162 (talk) 10:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Current customers is out of date.

Fleet dispersal

At least two of the 757s, former G-OJIB and G-STRZ, are now with FedEx in the USA, not stored. 212.159.59.41 (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC) HA[reply]

That may be so, but don't remove the 757s from the fleet table since the airline is now defunct and the fleet listing there is the planes that were in the fleet when the airline ceased operations. —Compdude123 (talk) 00:06, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the "stored" from the notes not really relevant as Compdude123 says it should reflect the fleet when services ceased. MilborneOne (talk) 16:05, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

administration?

In the opening paragraph we have this phrase: "it entered administration on 21 November 2011". "Entered administration"? What the heck does that mean? Cpergielx (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

British term for being bust.Charles (talk) 10:12, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a link to Administration (law). MilborneOne (talk) 10:39, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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