Talk:Ashcan School

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts

Philosophy: Aesthetics Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Associated task forces:
/
	Aesthetics

United States

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

File:George Wesley Bellows 001.jpg Nominated for Deletion

	An image used in this article, File:George Wesley Bellows 001.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests August 2011 What should I do?
	A discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. If you feel the deletion can be contested then please do so (commons:COM:SPEEDY has further information). Otherwise consider finding a replacement image before deletion occurs. This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of name

There should be something on how "Ashcan School" started out as a kind of derogatory term... AnonMoos (talk) 14:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"It was eight years later, however, in 1916, that the group got their evocative name. John Sloan, Robert Henri, and George Bellows were also illustrators for the well-known socialist magazine, The Masses, and one of their staff members voiced a complaint that there were too many “pictures of ashcans and girls hitching up their skirts on Horatio Street.” The artists were amused and flattered, and the name stuck."[1] Bus stop (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I had the vague impression that the name originated as some kind of snide insult by an art critic, but either way, if it can be documented, it should be added to the article... AnonMoos (talk) 05:58, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Ashcan School" is a play on the use of the term "school" in many art groupings such as Venetian school of art and Bolognese school of art. Others can be found for instance at Category:Italian art movements. I would say it is a tongue-in-cheek reference because "ashcans" would hardly constitute a lofty-enough element in painting to denote a "school" of artists. According to the source a complaint was issued by The Masses that there were too many "pictures of ashcans and girls hitching up their skirts on Horatio Street." The group had already been working together for 8 years before the complaint was issued and the artists themselves apparently seized upon the name "ashcan school", probably for their own entertainment.

I'm not sure what should be said in the article. Perhaps:

"Ashcan school" is a tongue-in-cheek reference to other "schools of art". Its origin is in a complaint found in a publication called The Masses alleging that there were too many "pictures of ashcans and girls hitching up their skirts on Horatio Street." The artists had already been working together for 8 years at that point. They were amused by the reference and the name stuck"[2]

I would place it as a second paragraph in the Origin and development section. Pinging AnonMoos. Bus stop (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and made the edit. It could probably be improved. I agree with AnonMoos that something should be said about the somewhat odd name "ashcan school". Bus stop (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for my slowness, but was the complaint printed in the publication, or was it spoken out loud by the staff member? AnonMoos (talk) 00:30, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

American Visions

Reliable source? Robert Hughes - American Visions - Episode 5 (part 2/5) Espngeek (talk) 17:24, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]