Talk:Arnsberg Forest massacre

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A fact from Arnsberg Forest massacre appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 November 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after discovering the mass graves of the Arnsberg Forest massacre, American soldiers ordered the entire local population to watch the exhumation?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arnsberg Forest massacre.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 19:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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German locals exhume the bodies of forced labourers killed by the Nazis.

~~... that after discovering the mass graves of the Arnsberg Forest massacre, American soldiers ordered the entire local population to dig them up in order to make them aware of the atrocity?~~ Source: https://www.foxnews.com/science/hundreds-of-chilling-artifacts-discovered-at-nazi-massacre-sites
- ALT1: ... that a study by archaeologists in 2019 found around 400 artifacts in the mass graves of 208 forced labourers killed by the Nazis in 1945? Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/400-artifacts-unearthed-site-nazi-massacre-targeting-polish-soviet-pows-180971711/

Created by Dunutubble (talk). Self-nominated at 18:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Dunutubble: Article is long enough and generally well-referenced. Could use some scholarly sources if there are any, but it's fine for now. No copyvio detected, and as this is only the user's 2nd DYK no QPQ is needed. However, an issue with the first hook: the Fox News source says that only former Nazis were made to exhume the bodies, while the local population was made to watch the reburial? ALT1 is less interesting than the original hook, but that one is good to go. Juxlos (talk) 12:46, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Hi Juxlos, after researching your comment I found I had read the Fox News article wrong. What about the Hook: "that after discovering the mass graves of the Arnsberg Forest massacre, American soldiers ordered the entire local population to view the exhumation to make them aware of the atrocity?" Dunutubble (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Dunutubble: That works, but a bit long. One option is to just cut the "why" and go with:
ALT2: ... that after discovering the mass graves of the Arnsberg Forest massacre, American soldiers ordered the entire local population to watch the exhumation?
- - Juxlos (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks, Juxlox. That sounds like a good hook.Dunutubble (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Juxlos (talk) 15:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Juxlos, I noticed that the "Did you know" page is missing this article's entry. Is it possible that you made it disappear by default when you strikethroughed the original hook you accidentally removed this from that section on the DYK page?Dunutubble (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article is still in the queue, it doesn’t just appear instantly. Juxlos (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.Dunutubble (talk) 15:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dunutubble, when a nom is approved, a bot moves it from Template talk:Did you know to Template talk:Did you know/Approved, so you can find your nom here until it's promoted to a prep area, then a queue, then the Main Page. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 to T:DYK/P2

Assessment

Reassessed as start class following automatic assessment by MilHist bot. This could do with some expansion of details, including background of those murdered. The lead says some were POWs but this is not explicitly stated in the body of the article. Also, suggest reasoning as to what prompted the excavation. Zawed (talk) 03:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Zawed I've raised the POW issue below, good catch. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A POW massacre?

The lead claims this was a massacre of, among other, prisoners of war (POWs), but it this is not clearly referenced, nor discussed in the body. POWs are also linked to Ostarbeiters, but not all Ostarbeiters were POWs. This is currently categorized within Category:World War II prisoner of war massacres by Nazi Germany, but it may not be correct. Pinging primary author @Dunutubble _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]