Talk:Armed Forces of the Philippines/Archive 1

Archive 1

Article movement

The official title of the body is the Armed Forces of the Philippines and therefore this article needs to be moved to that namespace. --Gerald Farinas 06:44, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Damn Right!

Copyvio

New article incorporating all text from the old article except the obvious cut-and-paste from the Philippine Defense Department website is at /Temp. I have no idea why this heavy-handed approach is appropriate for a copy vio'ed section; if we move that page we lose the editing history of this article. --Dhartung | Talk 08:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

According to the admin who did this, apparently it's standard Wikipedia policy. See User_talk:Mushroom#Your_copyvio_edits_to_a_bunch_of_Philippine_articles. --Edward Sandstig 08:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

As an alternative, here is the last "good" version before the edits of the cut-and-paste offender (unregistered, naturally). This is now at /Temp2. --Dhartung | Talk 08:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

How I sometimes wish they'd require registration for all edits. Easier to track offenders. :) --Edward Sandstig 08:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Mushroom has graciously reconsidered his position, and reverted this and other articles. See User_talk:Mushroom. --Dhartung | Talk 21:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio again?

We recently re-started this article minus the copyvio portion, but had it reverted again today to a supposedly "non-copyvio" version. Which portions of the most recent version were copyvios? --Edward Sandstig 18:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Different commands:

Can anyone create articles on these commands:

1. Northern Luzon Command (NOLCOM)
2. National Capital Region Command (NCRCOM)
3. Southern Luzon Command (SOLCOM)
4. Western Command (WESCOM)
5. Visayas Command?
6. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM)

Thanks. --Howard the Duck 11:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, this has been done and recently updated. Thanks. :) Lieutenantpdg (talk) 07:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Southern Command, AFP has been deactivated already and replaced by Western Mindanao Command and Eastern Mindanao Command. Thanks. :) Lieutenantpdg (talk) 07:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

World War II Veteran Benefits for Filipinos

It seems to me that this section about World War II Veteran Benefits for Filipinos would fit much better into this article than it fits into History of the Philippines (1898–1946). I propose moving it. Comments? Objections? Suggestions? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It would seem odd to include the whole section here unless the AFP was actively involved in pursuing these benefits on behalf of the veterans. It might fit better with a re-write though. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 09:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I have refrained from challenging some assertions in this article because of the lead section assertion which says:"The AFP traces its roots from the Katipunan, the revolutionary force founded by Andres Bonifacio in 1892 which waged war against Spain and the United States for Philippine Independence. [...]" I think that this falls under that umbrella. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to challenge what's written in the History section. It's unreferenced and needs work. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 09:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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Material moved here from the article

I have removed the following material from the article and moved it here. The removed material begins with what was previously the final sentence of the History section.

it was the Katipunan that first formed the nucleus of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

Katipunan

The Katipunan, a revolutionary force founded by Andres Bonifacio in 1892 waged war against Spain and the United States for Philippine independence. The Katipunan, officially known as Kataas-taasang, Kagalang-galangang Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan ("Supreme and Venerable Society of the Children of the Nation") or KKK, was mainly composed of peasants who were attracted by Bonifacio's charisma in demanding independence from Spain. Later, wealthy Filipinos, many of whom were educated in Europe, joined the Katipunan. They held most of the higher military and administrative positions.

Even before the United States arrived in the Philippines, the Katipunan gained many victories against Spanish forces, which were also composed of native Filipinos hired by the Spanish government. With the advent of the Spanish-American War in 1898 and following on the battle of Manila Bay, Commodore George Dewey transported Emilio Aguinaldo — at the time exiled to Hong Kong following the Pact of Biak na Bato— back to the Philippines. Spanish troops were weakened within a month and, on June 12, 1898, Philippine Independence was declared. The Philippine Declaration of Independence was signed by ninety-eight individuals, including an American military officer who witnessed the event. This event established Katipunan organization as an insurgent dictatorial government. On June 23, 1898, it was reorganized into an insurgent revolutionary government. With the proclamation of the Malolos Constitution on January 21, 1899 this was transformed into a republic. The Philippine government and its education departments officially regard this republic as the First Philippine Republic, (even though the USA might not). The Malolos Congress declared war on the United States on June 2, 1899 in response to the US invasion and occupation. This First Philippine Republic became the third sovereign republic in Asia, the two previous republics being the Lanfang Republic in 1777, and the Republic of Formosa in 1895. The first republic was succeeded by the American government of occupation, then the US sponsored Commonwealth in 1935, then the Second Philippine Republic - a puppet government of the Empire of Japan in 1943, during World War II, then the Third Philippine Republic when the Philippines became independent from the United States on July 4, 1946, then the Fourth Philippine Republic in 1981 following the ousting of Marcos, then the Fifth Philippine Republic in 1986, which is still current.

I assert that the removed material has little or no relevance to the topic of this article. The initial sentence of the History section says that the official birth of the AFP took place on December 21, 1935, and much of the removed material concerns the activities of the Katipunan more than three decades earlier. Also, it's clear from Commonwealth Act No. 1 that the Philippine Constabulary formed the nucleus of the AFP, not the Katipunan. Also, the First Philippine Republic was an insurgency, not as sovereign state.

This is similar to an edit I made on 26 October to the Philippine Army article See here for discussion of that edit. As I did there, I will mention here that

• The Historical Context and Legal Basis of the Philippine Treaty Limits by Lowell B. Bautista might be useful; also
• Swan Sik Ko (1990), Swan Sik Ko (ed.), Nationality and international law in Asian perspective, Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, p. 339, ISBN 9780792308768 has some applicable information, also
• Arnold D. McNair (1932), Arnold D. McNair; H. Lauterpacht (eds.), International Law Reports, vol. 4, Cambridge University Press, pp. 103-107, ISBN 9780521463492 has an interesting sidelight.

Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC) Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Number of Active Personnel

The article mentioned that the AFP has a "total active strength of 113,500". Now the article on "The Philippine Army" says it has 120,000 active troops". The article on "The Philipine Navy" says it has approximately 24,000 personnel and the article on "The Philippine Air force" says it has approximately 7,000. So all in all we can say that there are approximately 151,000 active personnel in the AFP. It seems you got conflicting figures on Wiki.Levekks 10:02 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levekks (talk • contribs)

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