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People's Vote

Pinging @John:. Regarding this diff what do you mean by "proper"? The citation observes WP:PRIMARY: A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. The text is a straightforward, descriptive statement of fact:

In August 2018, Iannucci announced his support for People's Vote, a campaign group calling for a public vote on the final Brexit deal between the UK and the European Union.

What is the problem? --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The source. Per WP:BLPSOURCES we cannot use the Daily Mirror to source something on a living person. --John (talk) 23:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Vintage Feminist, John We could use this. Per WP:BLPSPS, tweets can be used if they are published/written by the subject of the article (this is), and provided it meets the requirements of WP:SELFPUB, which this does. Propose reinserting the material, sourced to his tweet. GirthSummit _(blether) 11:54, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@John: Sorry but the source is not the Daily Mirror, the source is Iannucci - he wrote the article. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 19:56, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not comfortable sourcing something like this to a tweet. And it can't be a tabloid either. --John (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain your thinking on that please - what is it that you're not comfortable with? WP:SELFPUB is pretty clear on this, and it explicitly mentions Twitter as an acceptable source for claims like this - it's not about third parties, it's not about events, it's not promotional - it's just an expression of his political views. GirthSummit _(blether) 16:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @John:, what do you think of the following using a citation from the Metro newspaper?

In August 2018, Iannucci announced his support for People's Vote, a campaign group calling for a public vote on the final Brexit deal between the UK and the European Union.^[1]

--The Vintage Feminist (talk) 14:49, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Lindsay, Jessica (19 September 2018). "What is a 'People's Vote' on Brexit and how would it work?". Metro. Retrieved 25 September 2018.
See also: Iannucci, Armando (1 August 2018). "Armando Iannucci: Why I'm demanding a second referendum on the belched-up mess of Brexit". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 3 August 2018.

@The Vintage Feminist: I actually already reinserted the assertion, using the Mirror and Iannucci's tweet as sources. I brought this up at RSN - I wasn't overwhelmed by the flood of responses, but another editor agreed that the Mirror article was reliable as a self-authored piece per WP:SELFPUB, which is the same argument I make about Twitter. If it's also mentioned in the Metro, that adds a bit more wide - this is an uncontroversial assertion of his views, reported in at least two British newspapers. I can't see any reason not to include it. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:39, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit: Okay I've added the Metro as an additional ref. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it again pending the addition of proper sources. WP:BLPSOURCES definitely comes into play here. --John (talk) 07:08, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@John: These are proper sources. We've discussed that here at this page, and at RSN as linked above, and so far the only person concerned about sourcing is you. I asked you above for a reason why you were uncomfortable with Twitter, but you haven't responded. This material is not sourced exclusively to tabloids (so far it's two tabloids plus his own Twitter account), and it's not controversial - can you please provide an actual argument for why you think it should be excluded, rather than just links to policies that don't, as far as I can see, apply? GirthSummit _(blether) 07:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, The Evening Standard. Another tabloid.GirthSummit _(blether) 10:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworded the assertion, so that the text attributes the writing to the relevant sources rather than making it in Wikipedia's voice. To be honest, I think that's a bit clunky, but if the nature of the sources makes you uncomfortable hopefully attributing the statements will provide appropriate distance from them. GirthSummit _(blether) 12:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 01:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's up with the favourite film section?

Why do we need to include this 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:B970:F5CE:AB8D:36F6 (talk) 07:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Lindsay, Jessica (19 September 2018). "What is a 'People's Vote' on Brexit and how would it work?". Metro. Retrieved 25 September 2018.
See also: Iannucci, Armando (1 August 2018). "Armando Iannucci: Why I'm demanding a second referendum on the belched-up mess of Brexit". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 3 August 2018.

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