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A fact from Arizona Public Media appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 August 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1951, the University of Arizona radio bureau produced four different programs that aired on four different Tucson stations?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arizona Public Media.

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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in 1951, the University of Arizona radio bureau produced four different programs that aired on four different Tucson stations? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105467395/university-fall-winter-broadcasts-pack/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Suleman Raza
- Comment: It's not a radio station (barely)! This is a prototype of a new set index article and it also covers some material that fits nowhere else—this hook fact included. There is enough new material even without some overlap from KUAT-TV (and soon KUAT-FM and KUAZ).

Converted from a redirect by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 05:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article length okay. Article creation-from-redirect versus filing date okay. Article sourcing and neutrality okay, no evident indications of copyvio. QPQ done well. The sourcing for the 'four/four' part of the hook is verified, but the first part of the hook is less certain, and points to the central uncertainty I see with this article. What, exactly, was/is the University of Arizona radio bureau, the KUAT Communications Group, and Arizona Public Media? (The answers may be different for each of them, and the first two should be bolded within the article.) Were/are they part of the university? Something run by the state? Part of PBS/NPR? What was/is their charter? What have their governing structures looked like? Who have been their officers? What kind of budgets have they have and where has the money come from and have their been debates about how much should be spent and for what? The article frequently says the university did this, the UA did that. Shouldn't it be the radio bureau/communications group/AZPM doing these things? The article needs to focus on this entity, or series of entities, rather than give histories of the individual stations (which likely duplicates material already in those station articles). Finally, there should be some mention of the relationship if any between this entity and the student-run radio/television stations on campus. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:46, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Everything you see here is part of the university, Wasted Time R. Let me break down some of these: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is designed to cover UA's public broadcasting operation, which in its current form dates to 1959, as well as (1) its brief venture into broadcasting in the early 1920s and (2) the period from 1939-1959/the 1960s when it was mostly a producer of programming for other radio stations. I've tried to add some more connective tissue.
The point of this is not to go into minutiae about structure.
We have no articles on UA student media because there are no licensed UA student media outlets. (There seems to be no relation at all.)
I personally don't like excess bolding in pages.

Well, I'm not looking for minutiae. The footer at the AZPM website states that Arizona Public Media's broadcast stations are licensed to the Arizona Board of Regents, who hold the trademarks for the name Arizona Public Media. That is worth including in the article. And I could see from their About page that it is a pretty big organization, with a CEO, a CFO, a CTO, a COO, various directors and managers etc. That level of size and structure is worth including in the article, as is where their money comes from. You seem to imply that it all comes from the university, but per page 9 in their most recent financial statement, only 14 percent comes from university appropriations or facilities, while more than that comes from each of CPB grants, subscriptions/memberships, and various donations/gifts. That suggests to me that they are just as much a creature of the PBS world as they are a creature of the University of Arizona world. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Wasted Time R: That's fair. I've added a short Structure section that cites their annual report. Let me know what you think. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this is good to move forward. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]