Talk:Argus Panoptes

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The most common sources have Argus as Io's nephew; some sources do have Argus as Inachus' son (and thus Io's brother).

The last two paragraphs talk about Argos, rather than Argus. Is this simply a typo? Also the penultimate paragraph (The myth makes the closest connection of Argos, the neatherd, with the bull. In the Library of pseudo-Apollodorus, "Argos killed the bull that ravaged Arcadia, then clothed himself in its skin."[9]) is not making sense to me. Perhaps some additional context or clarification is needed.

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@129.34.20.19 The Argus/Argos inconsistency seems to result from a lack of Classical understanding among some of the editors. There is indeed an Ancient Greek city named "Argos" (Ἄργος), whence "Jason and Argonauts, "and there are probably a few other characters named Argos in Greek mythology. However, I'm fairly certain that the proper name for this character is "Argus."

Often when Greek is transliterated into English, the standard Latin form of the name is used rather than a precise transliteration of the Greek form of the name (this happens even when the name is originally Greek). For example, in Classical Greek the name of Zeus' father is Κρόνος -- in Latin the name is often rendered as "Cronus," though a more precise transliteration would be "Kronos." Because linguistically Greek "-os" is basically the equivalent of Latin "-us," when people are trying to render the Ancient Greek form of the Latinized name they'll often automatically change "-us" to "-os," but that's because they don't understand their Ancient Greek well enough. The Greek letter "upsilon" (Υ, υ) is pronounced as both /u/ and /y/ in Ancient Greek, which one depends on the context. So, just because the Latinized form of this character's name is "Argus" doesn't mean the proper Greek form of his name is "Ἄργος" -- in fact, I'm fairly certain the correct Greek rendering of the name is "Ἄργυς." There are probably some authors or manuscripts who do use the "-os" ending even in Greek but if they do exist those would be regarded as errors or corruptions.

So to be clear in Greek the correct rendering is "Ἄργυς," and in Latin and English the correct rendering of his name "Argus," NOT "Argos."

This should be corrected as soon as possible. 2600:8802:2608:A900:B021:B8AE:6191:7A58 (talk) 07:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The first paragraph is a jumble of sentences that have no logical connection or flow - it is like someone posted random edits by dropping in tidbits of information in random places. Further, I understand that some people feel the need to demonstrate that they possess a vocabulary on a higher order than the average individual, but I don't think that excuses the use of obsolete words. I realize that the classical texts refer to Argus as a "neatherd", but come on, this is Wikipedia, not an academic text that is being written here. Use language for the masses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.3.235 (talk) 13:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Argus in the Percy Jackson books

Argus is also featured in Rick Riordan's new series, "The Heroes of Olympus", in which he is decribed as being Hera's son. Is this not in any other mythology? --Undrhil (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Image 'Argus dozes off'

I do not see this image as being other than 'decorative', with respect of course to how fantastic an image it is of course, in the sense that it does not add to the understanding of the subject of the page. I cannot see it showing any distinguishing characteristics of Argus, but of course my monitor is small and my eyes poor.

Any discussion on that? - 124.148.191.253 (talk) 11:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Crap images

Neither of the pictures show a giant with 100 eyes. What is the point of them? Surely we can do better. Just google "Argus eyes." Richard75 (talk) 19:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I think poor "Io" is a bull/ox not a virgin cow ...

... on the Athenian red figure vase picture. Covered by the victor you cannot see the location of testicles (so it also can be an ox), but it clearly shows the long hairs at the end of the sheath (for the penis) in the middle of the barrel. Around there a heifer should got only a virtually invisible navel, at most with some small bumps created by the milk well(?). The teats and udder could be further back almost between the hinder legs (again, a location covered by the victor). I'm not a cattle anatomy expert, but it suspicious to me.

It is entirely possible that the vasepainter who created the painting wasn't much of an expert on cattle either, and simply picked one in a field, made some mental notes, and then reproduced what he saw in vase painting, not knowing if it was male or female himself (city kids! No good sense of farm life!). In any case, we know that the story (from the Ancient Greek) describes Io as being changed into a heifer, and though the vase painting may not match that description, meh... Ain't gonna change nothnin' I 'spect. KDS4444^Talk 20:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Content was forked

In the history of the Panoptes article anyone can see that there was another version of this article. That version was started in 2002, and this one was started in 2005. Because this one is the more developed I made that one redirect to here. Here is the content that was there -

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In Greek mythology, Panoptes (Ancient Greek: Πανόπτης; English translation: "the all-seeing") was an epithet for both Helios and Argus. Argus Panoptes was a giant with a hundred eyes. He was also the nymph Io's brother. He was thus a very effective watchman, as only a few of the eyes would sleep at a time; there were always eyes still awake. Argus was Hera's servant. His great service to the Olympic pantheon was to slay the chthonic serpent-legged monster Echidna as she slept in her cave. Hera's last task for Argus was to guard a white heifer from Zeus. She charged him to "Tether this cow safely to an olive-tree at Nemea". Hera knew that the heifer was in reality Io, one of the many nymphs Zeus was coupling with to establish a new order. To free Io, Zeus had Argus slain by Hermes. Hermes, disguised as a shepherd, first put all of Argus's eyes asleep with boring stories. To commemorate her faithful watchman, Hera had the hundred eyes of Argus preserved forever, in a peacock's tail.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Arestor

There seems to be something going on, of which something is mistaken. In the "other Argus" page, there is another "Argus, son of Arestor" in whose article it it specified he should not be confused with Argus Panoptes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.13.111.100 (talk) 07:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)