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Tyneman

This is the wrong Archibald Douglas. The Tyneman was Archibald Douglas, 4th Earl of Douglas, who despite being the most powerful magnate in Scotland at the time, never won a major battle and indeed lost an eye, testicle and eventually his life in various battles! Will change this soon, if there is no objection?

86.146.172.20 (talk) 18:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed the article because I agreed with you, and then when checking my sources found two for him being the Tyneman (Brown and Maxweell, and one against, which did not carry the same weight, but on which I was justifying the change. I have now reverted my change! Shipsview (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a stalemate here! Brown and Maxwell for the Guardian, and Godscroft and Fraser in his fairly exhaustive work "The Douglas Book" for the 4th Earl. (See here-[1]) Can't seem to find any other reference to the name. It certainly seems an apt epithet for the 4th Earl and perhaps was used by both, who knows? Brendandh (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps reference should be made in both articles to the "Lose-man" moniker, and the title of this article should be changed, so as not to falsely cast aspersions on the character of one who is not here to defend himself? (Although I'm sure he would, if he were!) Brendandh (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]