Talk:Apollo Kids (album)

Classification

In a recent interview with Complex magazine with Sheek Louch & Ghostface, he recently confirmed that Apollo Kids was in fact a mixtape he turned into the offices of Def Jam. It was previously titled 'The Warm Up' as a precursor mixtape for his sequel album to Supreme Clientele. Please refrain from labeling this as a album, here is the link & statement by the man himself.

Ghostface Killah: Yeah. The Blue & Cream joint, I’m like 80-85% done with that. I didn’t put the features on yet. I’m just still looking to see whatever beats I could get that might knock something else off. Then, I’ll put the skits on it and everything is a wrap. I’ve been sitting on it for like two years. I was doing it when I was on my last shit on Def Jam, but I gave them a mixtape.

Complex: Apollo Kids?

Ghostface Killah: Yeah, but that was a mixtape. That wasn’t no album. They wanted Supreme, I’m gassing for them to do Supreme. But I caught them niggas real quick for their bread and then gave them Apollo Kids. That was gonna be called The Warm Up, but they was like, “Nah, I know what you’re trying to do.” They caught on.

So I just called it Apollo Kids. But I still kept Supreme on the side though and I’ve been holding it. I’ve been holding it, holding it, holding it and I still got it. That’s why I try to be like, “Yo, hold on man.”

His view of what the release is, but all third-party sources available call it an album, including Island Def Jam. Dan56 (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

He labeled it a mixtape himself, but panned it off as an "album". Apollo Kids itself has older mixtape tracks already on it. "Youngstown Heist" only features Ghost doing the chorus & "How You Like Me Baby" is originally "Chunky", a old Fishscale leftover. Its the equivalent of Inspectah Deck's "The Resident Patient". Labeled as a album, but in actuality a mixtape. Ghostface himself should trump any third party sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.228.145.233 (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

No, it shouldnt, as this is an encyclopedia. Did you look at Wikipedia:Third-party sources, which I previously linked? And dont restore your contentious change before getting consensus at the talk page. We dont go by original research ("old Fishcale leftover", "equivalent of..."), but what's verifiable by third-party sources. Dan56 (talk) 00:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Did a quick Google search for "Apollo Kids" Ghostface mixtape and found no articles verifying that it is a mixtape; found SOHH ([2]), New York (magazine) ([3]), the Los Angeles Times ([4]), and HipHop DX ([5]) verifying "studio album", "ninth solo album", or the variation. Dan56 (talk) 00:44, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, this definition of 'mixtape' as meaning 'album I didn't put a huge amount of effort into' is dubious. Mixtapes in hip hop usually consist of beats other people have already rapped over, mixed by a DJ. Wetdogmeat (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course you didnt find any articles stating this to be a mixtape, the interview was just recently conducted & there are OTHER videos of Ghostface himself stating AK as a mixtape. Also, what you said about mixtapes is not entirely true, not everyone follows that format. For instance, Inspectah Deck's "The Resident Patient" is a mixtape but has the feel of an actual album & was labeled by many as a album, Elzhi's "Elmatic" although familiar beats were totally redone in a way to sound new and was labeled a mixtape. Just because its labeled an album from 3rd party source does not make it so. Basically Def Jam didn't want Ghost to have a mixtape as a official release (hence 'The Warm Up') so he renamed it & tried passing it off as a 'album'. Artists have corrections on their own work later on regardless of what is officially presented by 3rd parties. For instance, OB4CLII production credits & featured artists are not properly listed on the back of the CD cover & insert, yet when the producers THEMSELVES had to say something about it, corrections were made on Wikipedia to adjust to the new information. The same can be done here. Here is another video of Ghostface talking about AK, heavily incinuating that AK is a mixtape by continuously calling it The Warm Up.

https://57thave.com/?p=29451 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.228.145.233 (talk) 13:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Whatever the artist's intention, music releases are released by the labels, which bill them as they choose to. What you are saying about "the feel" and other musical aspects is according to you or a reliable source that can be cited in a section on the album's music in this article? For example, Channel Orange has the feel of a mixtape, according to one music writer (last paragraph, last sentence of "Music and style" section), but it is a studio album as it was released by a label, unlike Nostalgia, Ultra, which was self-released. Now, this is just one opinion against another, which is why we use third-party sources. Dan56 (talk) 13:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

References

professional review

I have no idea how to edit the section called "professional reviews" (it has no edit button), but can someone add this to the list of reviews? http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.1597/title.ghostface-killah-apollo-kids Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.59.156 (talk) 03:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Not a notable reviewer/publication for the section with professional reviews of the album. Dan56 (talk) 03:50, 22 December 2010 (UTC)