Talk:Ape Canyon

Proof?

Can anyone find proof of this myth? - Tεxτurε 16:12, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thoughts

Couple of thoughts:

1. "Jim Carter" turns up no hits. Perhaps he is a famous skier who is somewhat obscure.

2. On the other hand, a quick Google hits a page (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/beck.htm) that backs this up.

3. On the other hand, it is a Bigfoot site.

4. `There are smarter people than me here who can determine if this is legit. PaulinSaudi 16:15, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)]]

That link appears like it may be extremely useful - I'm going to pour over it and then, if it's a good enough source, add it to the article and amend the article accordingly. ClovisPt (talk) 18:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's an excellent source: the account of an eyewitness (maybe the only eyewitness), it really sheds light on the entire incident. When I have a little more time I'll add some information from it to the article. I'd recommend reading it for anyone interested in the origins of this story. Regards, ClovisPt (talk) 19:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. ClovisPt (talk) 01:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I've added a section about the Jim Carter disappearance in Ape Canyon, with several paras from 3 1963 newspaper stories, which were reprinted in Patterson's 1966 book, Do Abominable Snowmen of America Really Exist? RogerKni (talk) 09:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Pictures and Images and Maps

I wish this article had some of those
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Berniethomas68 20:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Request

I wish some one would site when the area was named ape canyon and what it was named before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.245.212.141 (talk) 01:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Skier

Can anyone locate sources for the account of the skier? It seems... speculative, and written in a such a way that the subtext suggests that Bigfoot kidnaped the poor guy. ClovisPt (talk) 18:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I found a so-so source, which I suppose will do, at least for a while. ClovisPt (talk) 01:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Disappearance of skier Jim Carter

Elaborate details about a disappearance of a skier named "Jim Carter" was being sourced to "Marge Davenport, Oregon Journal staff writer". She supposedly wrote the following articles:

• "Ape Canyon Holds Unsolved Mystery" (August 1963 issue of the Longview Times, datelined Spirit Lake, Washington?)
• "Legendary Mt. St. Helens Apemen Called Legitimate" (Supposedly also in Longview Times?)
• "Monster Sightings Rekindle Interest in Mt. St. Helens Hairy Apes" (Longview Times? Unknown?)

The above secondhand information is only found being passed around in Bigfoot proponent/paranormal/cryptozoological/sensational sources. Given that Bigfoot lore is often overhyped, exaggerated, and misrepresented, verifiablity is crucial when it comes to facts claimed to be sourced to obscure and inaccessible news stories. If reinstated, this would need to be confirmed to the original, or a WP:FRIND source. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

There is a news story about a diabetic skier named "Joe Carter" missing in the area: San Bernardino Sun, Volume 56, Number 238, 25 May 1950. This is likely the origin of the bogus info being passed around by Bigfoot enthusiasts. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

It is probably pretty fringe, but probably the most notable source I can think of on this is the "documentary" 'Manbeast!, Myth Or Monster?' (in 1978), made by Alan Landsburg. (Yes, the same guy who made 'In Search of...'.) So I don't know if that suffices....but just thought I'd mention it.Rja13ww33 (talk) 03:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Sources

Here is one of the few WP:FRIND sources rescued from the mostly-fringe bibliography that could be useful for this article.

• Buhs, Joshua Blu (August 1, 2009). Bigfoot: The Life and Times of a Legend. University of Chicago Press. pp. 122–24. ISBN 978-0-226-50215-1.

- LuckyLouie (talk) 23:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)