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I'm VERY annoyed that FleetCommand has ruined my recent edits because he/she doesn't like The Register ref links being proof.

What that user has basically done is ruin perfectly valid edits. It's like writing on a piece of paper and then someone comes along, rips it to shreds and throws it on a fire. WHY did YOU not bother to find ref links for it BEFORE you decided to wipe my edits, which took me somewhat longer than the few seconds required for you to undo/revert my edits? As for The Register links not being good enough - I've used The Register for ref links on other Wikipedia pages I've edited and nobody else has a problem with them.

I'm VERY annoyed by this and I get the impression you're lazy because you didn't go to the same trouble I did in finding them ref links and editing the page with great care and perfection. I better stop typing as I could say some things which will offend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TurboForce (talk) 00:13, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why it was removed either. There is at least one other reference in the article now that points to The Register. There's a link to a Symantec article right in The Register article that confirms the statements that are made regarding the Mebromi virus that affects the MBR code. What's the problem here? Dawnseeker2000 00:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't get this "the Register is not a RS" either. It is as reliable as any news source is. I have also reviewed the Symantec article ansd it also seems to support the text. I propose this be restored. - Ahunt (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Before just plainly restoring them, risking an edit-war, I suppose you've actually *asked* FleetCommand why (s)he removed it, right? For the record: what was his/her answer? --DanielPharos (talk) 09:36, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
That is why we are having this conversation here, to come up with a consensus. - Ahunt (talk) 12:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
So has anybody invited FleetCommand into this discussion then? Because it seems obvious (s)he will have something to say about this... --DanielPharos (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Well normally when someone has enough interest in a page to revert a bunch of stuff they will watch the page for future developments, but feel free to specifically invite them if you think they aren't watching the page. - Ahunt (talk) 14:13, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello guys.
First and foremost, The Register has two issues: (1) It is a tabloid and is far from the standards of a reliable source. (You guys have actually read WP:RS, haven't you?) (2) Its article contains novel statements that do not appear in the Symantec source. It uses shock and awe tactics to gain readership: It is giving doomsday predictions about how the computing world is coming to an end with this new malware while Symantec source makes it clear that this tactic is not new -- albeit rare. (Well, tabloid after all...)
Second, no, nobody asked me why, though I did try to contact Escape Orbit and explained why. So far, he has not replied, so I assume he is satisfied with my revert.
Third, I do not understand what this fuss is about: The article is still saying exactly the same thing. It still says "This is a major concern, as an infected BIOS could require the actual BIOS chip to be replaced to ensure the malicious code is completely removed." What I removed in the revert was redundancy + questionable citation.
Fleet Command (talk) 19:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I re-studied my message to Escape Orbit and actually remembered what give me the incentive to revert: The contribution says "Currently, anti-virus software cannot remove malware that has successfully modified the BIOS EEPROM." Excuse me, but which source says "cannot"? Even The Register never says anything so explicitly; it just throws suggestive comments like "the malware stands a better chance of surviving attempts by antivirus programs to remove it" and "Developing an antivirus utility able to clean the BIOS code is a challenge" but never says "cannot".
And "Anti-virus software"? How do you know that it applies to all antivirus products? And "currently"? Well, this is a minor issue but see WP:RELTIME. Fleet Command (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
The main point of that edit was to prove 2 things: 1) that anti-virus software cannot stop new malware from writing to the BIOS EEPROM, until the anti-virus program has been updated with new signatures which detects that malware. 2) If an EEPROM chip has been infected by malware, that malware cannot be removed from the chip by anti-virus software YET. Here's what I added to the page at that time - the bold text showing what was added to the existing sentence (ref link numbers removed):
Anti-virus software is not effective at protecting firmware and the motherboard BIOS from infection by new malware before the anti-virus software is updated to detect and deal with such malware. Currently, anti-virus software cannot remove malware that has successfully modified the BIOS EEPROM.
The keywords being "new malware" and "currently". It implies that today's anti-virus software can't protect your BIOS from being flashed by new malware and cannot remove malware from the flashed BIOS, but it MAY do in future. If The Register is not suitable for ref links (I disagree with that), then who is prepared to find the refs and help put my (valid) edits back in the article? TurboForce (talk) 11:26, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Neither I do believe a word of what you say nor your sources (even The Register) support them. In fact, the Symantec source says the complete opposite: It says that it is now capable of dealing with this new threat. Your constant use of weasel words and vague adverb of time only makes the case worse. Fleet Command (talk) 07:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay then, prove to me the following 3 points:
  • That anti-virus software can protect the BIOS from being altered by a new piece of malware before signatures are updated to detect it.
  • That anti-virus software can remove malware from the BIOS chip.
  • Prove to me that anti-virus software can scan firmware for malware.
If you can prove all them points, then my statements were wrong. If you can't prove those 3 statements, then my disputed edits about firmware issues are indeed valid (which I know anyway). TurboForce (talk) 13:00, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Wel, the first point is trivially addressed: heuristics. Accessing the write-functions of the BIOS-chip requires certain calls, which can be scanned for. So even without specific signatures, executables attempting to access the BIOS chip can be identified. These executables can then be prevented from executing, thus stopping the malware threat. For the other two points: I'd have to do some research... Maybe FleetCommand can answer this more quickly. --DanielPharos (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
It does mean that a legitimate BIOS update program for Windows requires the anti-virus software protection to be temporarily turned off, to avoid the heuristics from interfering. Although there are better options i.e: create a bootable disk to update the BIOS or - if available - use the updater in the BIOS settings to flash the BIOS with a new update from a single file on a storage medium. In my experience, sometimes the BIOS update can only be performed in Windows, especially with laptops. Also, other devices' firmware updates (e.g. Nokia phones) are nearly always tied to using Windows in order to update the firmware. Anti-virus software and firmware issues are major concern as a result of possible conflicts and the problem of scanning firmware and removing malware from firmware. I'm not aware of any anti-virus or other anti-malware program which can scan and remove malware from a BIOS chip, so the only way to remove malware from the BIOS requires replacing the chip, if possible, or the motherboard! TurboForce (talk) 01:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
No, TurboForce. The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material -- which is you. So, far you have failed to supply a reliable source for your doomsday statement. Your evidence so far, consists of "I am not aware of a [noun] that [verbs] such and such". There are a lot of things that you are not ever of; but that does not mean that they do not exist. Fleet Command (talk) 06:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Considering that malware has been able to infect the BIOS, such as the Chernobyl (CIH) virus, it is a 'doomsday' reality that has occurred and proof shows it can still occur. I had already supplied the proof that anti-virus software is useless when the BIOS has been infected. As you didn't like the ref links that linked to the pages on The Register website, all you have done is remove the sentences and not found the ref links yourself. Anti-virus software never protects against dumb users who download things like "smiley faces", free screensavers etc. I have seen Windows computers clogged-up with malware during the past 10 years and it still happens all of the time. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about! TurboForce (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
TurboForce, let us stay polite and do it by the book: You have made contribution to the article that is backed up by original research and an unreliable source that does not even affirm your statement. Therefore, your statements has no merit for inclusion in Wikipedia, no matter how true it is and how great an expert you are. I think I have said all I have to say and I see no point on re-expressing again and again how I disagree with your contribution that fails verification against its unreliable source. I think it is clear that we do not have a consensus. Regards, Fleet Command (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Some anti-virus software can run before boot-up (though rarely), so I cannot take your claim as valid, TurboForce. Rootkits do have software designed to remove them, and I don't see where The Register is getting its information.Jasper Deng (talk) 21:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Are you forgetting that the BIOS is accessed the moment the computer is powered on and performs the Power-on self-test? If malware has infected the BIOS, that malware is run before any anti-virus, anti-rootkit software etc. On old computers, the BIOS used to have weak "anti-virus protection" that only checks the MBR and in the end, this was removed by later BIOS makers (or disabled by default) as it would conflict when installing the OS. This is the very last time I say this: anti-virus software DOES NOT remove malware from FIRMWARE.
If I come across any refs that don't link to The Register (to save disputes, god knows why you have a problem with The Register?????) then I will add it to this discussion page first. To save confusion - I must make it clear that firmware refers to all types of firmware accessible by the computer e.g. the firmware in DVD drives, not just the motherboard BIOS. Finally, the edit was NOT "original research", as I've already read about this happening and the Chernobyl (CIH) virus proves that malware can write to the BIOS and that same malware was hiding in the firmware of a CD drive manufactured by Yamaha click here to read about it. TurboForce (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Please refrain from shouting. If you don't want us to think your edit is original research please cite your source. There is no proof that antivirus software can or cannot remove these, since there are such things as rootkit protection. You may also want to take a look at the secure boot requirement of Windows 8.Jasper Deng (talk) 16:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Help correcting the Refferance section

I added to the "history" and "identification" sections text which cite the same reference:

http://www.research.ibm.com/antivirus/SciPapers/VB2000DC.htm An Undetectable Computer Virus (academic paper)

I'm not familiar with this task so it appears as number 10 and 16. Please, anybody help to correct it.

Also, please find the article which describes this result and find a way to include it in a way it fits best.

Please, do not revert my edits, but correct and adapt them. Academic work hosted on www[.]research[.]ibm[.]com should be viewed as a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.119.11.171 (talk) 11:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I made a number of fixes, including combining your refs (see how I did that in the page history for future use). Your one paragraph there and one other claim require refs to be cited as tagged. - Ahunt (talk) 13:31, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.
Please, someone also review the edit I made in the Heuristic section. If anyone knows what I am talking about, please add the example. Note that it may look like original research so, if the claim is not widely accepted, move it to the discusion page
Also, please clarify the difference between "computer virus" and "malware" at the beggining of "identification techniques". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.119.11.171 (talk)
I did review it and tagged it as needing a reference. Please see WP:ONUS. - Ahunt (talk) 13:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. As some of my edits were tagged as needing reference, if no reference shows up in a decent amount of time, pleas someone move them to the discussion page section.
I made a request for Cohen's result to be added to the Computer virus page. My request it's on the talk page of that article.79.119.11.171 (talk) 14:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't work on that article, but I am sure someone will respond as it is well-watched. - Ahunt (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Sorry for crossposting. 79.119.11.171 (talk) 14:40, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
No problem at all - better too much information than not enough! - Ahunt (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I made a small edit at the beginning. Please also review at least the 3rd sentence. I feel the way as the combination of "malware" with "threats" points to "computer security threats" does not correlates well with the intentioned meaning that the page does not discuss computer security but malware79.119.11.171 (talk) 14:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Fret not, every edit on every article gets reviewed by someone. - Ahunt (talk) 15:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
As a temporary improvement, I added bolding to the 3rd phrase. I hope someone more experienced than me will help. Thank you again. It was a pleasant collaboration.79.119.11.171 (talk) 15:11, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Anti-virus software on Linux

Why do we have a link to "Linux malware", but nowhere does the main page say that Linux does or doesn't need anti-virus software running in the background? I don't have anti-virus software in Linux, but in Windows XP SP2 and later, the "Security Center" will warn you if anti-virus software is not installed.

Do we need a section about anti-virus software and Linux? TurboForce (talk) 21:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Linux malware has its own page because it is so rare! Sure we can add a section on Linux anti-virus software, it could just be an intro para and then send people to Linux malware where it is explained in detail. - Ahunt (talk) 21:19, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Cheers Ahunt. I agree about the rareness of Linux malware; such a breath of fresh air without the constant worry of malware infection and without having cumbersome anti-virus software running in the background.
Before I forget to say, I still need to learn how to format "ref" links properly. I don't mean to leave you with the job of doing that every time. Cheers. :) TurboForce (talk) 21:44, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Refs are quite easy to format - I have three easy to copy formats at User:Ahunt/Tags for general web refs, web news refs and paper refs. - Ahunt (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I see that and I come across this on your page:
<ref name="UniqueNameOfRef"> {{Cite web|url = http://www.something.com|title = Title of Article|accessdate = 14 October 2010|last = Name|first = Name|authorlink = |year = 2010|month = October}}</ref>
Maybe an example of an existing formatted ref link with that would be good. I wish I had more time to learn Wikipedia formatting. There are not enough hours in the day. :( It takes long enough to provide the facts alone.
Back to Linux and anti-virus software. I do know it's necessary when handling Windows files e.g. when e-mailing Microsoft Office files that were edited by someone else previously, as you don't want to unknowingly pass on an infected file, even though it won't infect your Linux machine. The anti-virus companies will scare users into wasting money on security software they don't need. TurboForce (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Well here is a real world example of what a ref in that format looks like: <ref name="FAA"> {{cite web|url = http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=Airbike&mfrtxt=&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind.y=0&cmndfind=submit&modeltxt=Airbike|title = Make / Model Inquiry Results|accessdate = 27 July 2009|last = [[Federal Aviation Administration]]|authorlink = |year = 2009| month = July}}</ref> if that is any help. If you need more on this write to me on my talk page and I will be happy to get you started. - Ahunt (talk) 23:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that, nowadays (2013), virus for Linux are not anymore that rare (e.g. Android). Farqad (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Anti virus

Who really created the first antivirus?-170.185.129.17 (talk) 15:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The section Antivirus_software#History pretty much answers that question. - Ahunt (talk) 15:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually it is pretty difficult to state who really create the first antivirus. This is mainly because in the beginning security experts just start to write programs specifically developed to remove single viruses. But, depending on the definition of antivirus, there could be a different between the effective foundation of the first antivirus firm and the development of the first antivirus. Just some examples:
  • Friðrik Skúlason founded FRISK Software International only in 1993, but he create the first version of his F-Prot AV back in 1989.[1] And, according to him he wrote the first program to remove a virus even before.
  • The same happened to Gianfranco Tonello. He founded TG Soft in 1991, but he creates the first version of his VirIT AV one year before.
  • In 1988, Dr. Vesselin Bontchev produces his first freeware AV program.[2]
  • F-Secure claims to be the first AV firm to establish a presence on the World Wide Web.

But, the section Antivirus_software#History should be quite correct. Farqad (talk) 19:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ [1]
  2. ^ [2]

Data mining in AV technologies

Data mining techniques for malware detection are one of the latest approach in AntiVirus software. These algorithms use file features, that are extracted from binary programs, to classify an executables as malicious or benign. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]

I think this should be added to the article. Farqad (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ A Machine Learning Approach to Anti-virus System
  2. ^ Data Mining Methods for Malware Detection
  3. ^ Data mining and Machine Learning in Cybersecurity
  4. ^ Analysis of Machine learning Techniques Used in Behavior-Based Malware Detection
  5. ^ A survey of data mining techniques for malware detection using file features
  6. ^ Intelligent automatic malicious code signatures extraction
  7. ^ Malware Detection by Data Mining Techniques Based on Positionally Dependent Features
  8. ^ Data mining methods for detection of new malicious executables
  9. ^ IMDS: Intelligent Malware Detection System
  10. ^ Learning to Detect and Classify Malicious Executables in the Wild
  11. ^ Malware detection using statistical analysis of byte-level file content
  12. ^ An intelligent PE-malware detection system based on association mining
  13. ^ Malware detection based on mining API calls
  14. ^ "Andromaly": a behavioral malware detection framework for android devices

Comparison of AntiVirus software

What about add a section on the comparison of AV products?

An old discussion has been whether or not AntiVirus products are useless and just waste of money. In November 2012 Imperva, a fairly discussed security firm, published a study in which they state that less than 5% of antivirus solutions were able to initially detect previously non-cataloged viruses.[1][2] This study has been deeply criticized not only by almost every AntiVirus firm but also by many other security companies.[3][4][5] The main criticism was on the sample size of the study. In fact, the test has used less only 84 samples out of the millions of existing Windows malware. Another main criticism was that the study compared only detection in VirusTotal reports rather than in the actual products and, as the same VirusTotal stated: "At VirusTotal we are tired of repeating that the service was not designed as a tool to perform antivirus comparative analyses, but as a tool that checks suspicious samples with several antivirus solutions and helps antivirus labs by forwarding them the malware they fail to detect. Those who use VirusTotal to perform antivirus comparative analyses should know that they are making many implicit errors in their methodology, the most obvious being...". [6] This is mainly because the engines that AntiVirus firms provide to VirusTotal are not exactly the same configuration as are in the real-world product.[7] Moreover, VirusTotal does not try to execute the files with actual products being installed. This means that any run-time heuristics, behavioral monitoring, and memory scanning are out of the game. And thus the detection results are meager when compared to full products. Another aspect that has been criticized has been the "relevance" of the samples. In fact, the sample set should only include things that have been verified to have infected customers. Extrapolating current AntiVirus protection by way of testing samples that pose no danger simply makes no sense.

For this, and other reasons, the Anti-Malware Testing Standards Organization (AMTSO) provides guidelines to the testing of anti-malware and related products.[8] Farqad (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ [www.imperva.com/docs/HII_Assessing_the_Effectiveness_of_Antivirus_Solutions.pdf "Assessing the Effectiveness of Antivirus Solutions"] (PDF). Impervia. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
  2. ^ [www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/technology/antivirus-makers-work-on-software-to-catch-malware-more-effectively.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&ref=technology "Outmaneuvered at Their Own Game, Antivirus Makers Struggle to Adapt"]. The New York Times. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
  3. ^ "On the Topic of AV Being Useless". F-Secure.
  4. ^ "That Anti-Virus Test You Read Might Not Be Accurate, and Here's Whys". Intego.
  5. ^ "Do you really need Anti Virus protection? Go on uninstall it then". AVG.
  6. ^ "BAD IDEA: VirusTotal for antivirus/URL scanner testing". VirusTotal.
  7. ^ "On the Topic of AV Being Useless". F-Secure.
  8. ^ "Anti-Malware Testing Standards Organization". AMTSO.

People who are searching for "antivirus software" most likely suspect a virus or other malware; they are really looking for practically-useful guidance—such as the (1) need to fix vulnerabilities in browser plugins / avoid insecure browsers that lead to infection, (2) examples of good (preferably free) antivirus software, and (3) virus removal (as well as backup & recovery strategies). Viewed from this perspective, this article is pretty useless—the major part of the article is "issues of concern": potential disadvantages of antivirus software. I have added hatnotes to useful articles on these three topics, because most people will otherwise give up on such an article before reading to the "See also" at the end. There have been huge recent pageview peaks. Ditto for the computer virus article. The Template:Malware Navbox at the bottom of the page, with links to related articles, might best be updated and recreated as a long and narrow sidebar template at the side of the page, like Template:HTML—to help people quickly find what they're really looking for. LittleBen (talk) 02:58, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

If you think it is really necessary there, personally I think it clutters the article up too much. - Ahunt (talk) 12:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
The January stats look spurious to me. If you check the last complete month, December 2012, it shows 52,116 pages hits in that month, which is still a lot. - Ahunt (talk) 12:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Remember that Wikipedia does not provide "how to" information. The article cannot teach users, e.g. "use this web browser", "use brand X anti-virus software" and "to remove malware, you must do this and that". TurboForce (talk) 21:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Firmware issues: BadUSB

I see there's a new threat which anti-virus software is currently unable to detect: BadUSB. Is it worth a mention in "firmware issues"? MetalFusion81 (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It seems worth adding. - Ahunt (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Malware signature generation

The signature-based detection section didn't read right--it lacked an explanation of how a digital signature could also be a malware signature. Ideally, there would be a malware signature page, or the info would at least be included in the malware or the digital signature pages. Since it's not, I added a reference link to a signature generation article. The article is old (2006) so someone will probably eventually add a reference to a newer article. When they do, I hope they'll leave in my current reference, because it was the clearest explanation I could find on the topic. Katharine908 (talk) 15:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Origin of virus definitions?

It would probably be nice to put something in this article about the origin of virus definitions, as in if each company makes their own or there are shared databases or if companies share databases between themselves.

Thanks.

--86.27.232.103 (talk) 14:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

All we need is a reference and this can be added. - Ahunt (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
There are shared antivirus engines, e.g. BitDefender seems the most popular according to http://www.av-comparatives.org/av-vendors/ Tgeorgescu (talk) 21:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Early history: Disinfectant for Mac OS

One item that seems to be missing from the early history is the free Mac OS application Disinfectant, written by John Norstad of Northwestern University. The early Macs did endure a few mostly harmless viruses along with a few malicious ones that were never widely distributed. Disinfectant stamped them all out (and included an Easter egg animation of a large Pythonesque foot doing just that).

This out-of-date page at the University of Northern Arizona website has a brief description of how the last release of Disinfectant was installed, along with another INIT (boot-loaded app) called Gatekeeper.

If I can get a screen capture of Disinfectant and some documentation of its history I will add both to the article. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 04:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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Antivirus software → Antivirus – WP:COMMONNAME. SSTflyer 03:33, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

The redirect from Antivirus to this article appears to have been in place since 2004. Why the sudden change? I'm certainly not saying "no", just trying to understand why the "software" part of the article's name should be dropped. --DanielPharos (talk) 08:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Comment if "software" is going to be dropped from the title, shouldn't the article be rewritten for a broader scope to include non-software antiviral strategies, such as those focusing on operators and hardware? Reidgreg (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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history: first implementation of firewall

first implementation of firewall needs to be included in history --Johnny Bin (talk) 00:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I think that would be off-topic. Would it not be better at Firewall (computing), where it seems to already be? - Ahunt (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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