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Leaves out Pakistan's Choice to Separate

Some writers of this article may not be aware, but during the Indian Independence Movement, Pakistan chose to separate while Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru begged the nation to not. Pakistan chose to separate over the difference of religion, while India wanted Pakistan to not secede. This article does not include one sentence about Pakistan's choice. What a horrible article! Like always, Wikipedia is biased towards Pakistan. PUNJABI CHIEF (talk) 00:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

Echo1Charlie can you explain this revert? VR _talk 12:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC) Hai good day,[reply]
As I have stated in my edit summary your edit was reverted as it was unsourced [1] –see that change it was changing the whole meaning of the sentence and unsourced at the same time, but you were right, I checked the inline citation (only now, sorry for that). –Echo1Charlie (talk) 16:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sikhism section

I am removing the Sikhism section, which was as given below. The narrative describes the events of March 1947, when Pakistan had not even come into being. So it is silly to call it "Anti-Pakistan sentiment". Moreover, their government was brought down by the Muslim Leage through six months of non-stop agitation, campaigning and calls to violence. No doubt the Sikhs were opposed to the creation of Pakistan, but that was on legitimate grouds since their own homeland would get divided. Finally, both the sides equally engaged in Murdabad slogans in the run up to the partition [2][3]. It doesn't make sense to call it "anti-X sentiment".

I also notice misinformation to the effect that "the administration of Punjab was taken over by Muslim League". It wasn't. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sikhism

The slogan "Death to Pakistan" (Pakistan Murdabad) was raised by Sikh leader Master Tara Singh in March 1947, soon after the Unionist Party cabinet of Malik Khizar Hayat Tiwana resigned in the Punjab, and immediately after it was announced that the Muslim League would take over the reins of provincial government.^[1]^[2]^[3] The resignation of the Khizar Tiwana government, composed of Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs, followed the unrest caused by the call for the Direct Action Day by the Muslim League the previous year.^[1]^[4]
According to historian Stanley Wolpert in A New History of India,^[2] when the administration of Punjab was taken over by Muslim League, "Master Tara Singh, prominent Sikh political and religious leader in the first half of the 20th century, called for direct action by his khalsa against the League at this time, igniting the powder keg of repressed violence that set the Punjab ablaze with his cry of "Pakistan Murdabad" ("Death to Pakistan"). Tara Singh and his followers were demanding a Sikh nation of their own, Khalistan, and by demonstrating their willingness to die in defence of their homeland, they sought to prove the validity of their claim."^[2] This slogan often was followed by religious fights and conflicts.^[5]^[6]^[7]

References

^ ^a ^b Vohra, Ranbir (2001), The Making of India: A Historical Survey, M.E. Sharpe, p. 177, ISBN 978-0-7656-0711-9

^ ^a ^b ^c Wolpert, Stanley A. (2004), A new history of India, New York: Oxford University Press, p. 347, ISBN 978-0-19-516677-4

^ Moon, Penderel (1962), Divide and Quit, University of California Press, p. 77, GGKEY:4N8AYYFTYFJ

^ Singh, Anita Inder (2002), "The Origins of the Partition of India 1936–1947", in Mushrul Hasan (ed.), The Partition Omnibus, Delhi: Oxford University Press, p. 218, ISBN 978-0-19-565850-7 Quote: The attitude of the provincial Congress and Sikh leaders was provocative and hysterical. But it was explicable because the League's attitude during its agitation against the Khizar coalition was one of arrogance towards the minorities and it had never given them any indication of what Pakistan meant or what it might offer them in return for support. The League, as Jenkins pointed out, had also set a foreboding precedent by overthrowing a popular ministry by force, and, after the announcement of 20 February, had made every suggestion that it would capture the Punjab by any means. On 4 March Hindu and Sikh students took out a procession through the main part of Lahore shouting "Pakistan Murdabad", "Jinnah Murdabad" and according to Dawn "Allaho-Akbar Murdabad". Rioting broke out in Lahore and Multan, and Khizar resigned as caretaker Prime Minister, chiefly because his ministry could not control the situation.

^ Rajendra Kumar Mishra (2012). Babri Mosque: A Clash of Civilizations. Dorrance Publishing. p. 103. ISBN 978-1434967428.

^ Nagappan, Ramu (2005). Speaking havoc social suffering and South Asian narratives. Seattle: University of Washington Press. p. 91. ISBN 978-0295801711.

^ Allen, Richard (2000). Literature & nation : Britain and India : 1800–1990 (1. publ. ed.). London: Routledge [u.a.] p. 355. ISBN 978-0415212076.

Weak refs

The entire article is full of dubious statements either unreffed or supported by dubious refs from non-WP:RS sources - non-neutral, politically fringe etc. Ef80 (talk) 19:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Vohra2001-1] Vohra, Ranbir (2001), The Making of India: A Historical Survey, M.E. Sharpe, p. 177, ISBN 978-0-7656-0711-9

[Wolpert2004-2] Wolpert, Stanley A. (2004), A new history of India, New York: Oxford University Press, p. 347, ISBN 978-0-19-516677-4

[Moon1962-3] Moon, Penderel (1962), Divide and Quit, University of California Press, p. 77, GGKEY:4N8AYYFTYFJ

[PageSingh2002-4] Singh, Anita Inder (2002), "The Origins of the Partition of India 1936–1947", in Mushrul Hasan (ed.), The Partition Omnibus, Delhi: Oxford University Press, p. 218, ISBN 978-0-19-565850-7 Quote: The attitude of the provincial Congress and Sikh leaders was provocative and hysterical. But it was explicable because the League's attitude during its agitation against the Khizar coalition was one of arrogance towards the minorities and it had never given them any indication of what Pakistan meant or what it might offer them in return for support. The League, as Jenkins pointed out, had also set a foreboding precedent by overthrowing a popular ministry by force, and, after the announcement of 20 February, had made every suggestion that it would capture the Punjab by any means. On 4 March Hindu and Sikh students took out a procession through the main part of Lahore shouting "Pakistan Murdabad", "Jinnah Murdabad" and according to Dawn "Allaho-Akbar Murdabad". Rioting broke out in Lahore and Multan, and Khizar resigned as caretaker Prime Minister, chiefly because his ministry could not control the situation.

[Kumar-5] Rajendra Kumar Mishra (2012). Babri Mosque: A Clash of Civilizations. Dorrance Publishing. p. 103. ISBN 978-1434967428.

[Ramu-6] Nagappan, Ramu (2005). Speaking havoc social suffering and South Asian narratives. Seattle: University of Washington Press. p. 91. ISBN 978-0295801711.

[Richard-7] Allen, Richard (2000). Literature & nation : Britain and India : 1800–1990 (1. publ. ed.). London: Routledge [u.a.] p. 355. ISBN 978-0415212076.

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