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A fact from António Corea appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the slave António Corea may have been the first Korean to visit Europe?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/António Corea.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the first Korean to ever visit Europe was possibly the slave António Corea? Source: [1] The Rome-based reporter said he may have found the living descendants of Antonio Corea, who was believed to be the first Korean man in Europe.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wendell Steavenson

Created by Toobigtokale (talk). Self-nominated at 11:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/António Corea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough. The article is a great story and is certainly presentable. I was able to find the quote that the hook is based on in the linked article, but I am somewhat dubious of it. The authors don't give attribution as to who exactly believes Antonio was the first Korean in Europe. I'm also not familiar with "JoongAng Daily", and I just want to confirm it has justification for use as a reliable source. It would be great if you could include the historical research article that actually proposes the theory that Antonio was the first, in addition to this news piece. Further, I'd like to recommend the following ALT hook to improve readability:

ALT1: ...that António Corea may have been the first Korean to visit Europe?

Please drop me a ping when you respond to the aforementioned issues, and we'll get this nomination through! Fritzmann (message me) 17:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the review! Korea JoongAng Daily is the English-language version of JoongAng Ilbo, considered one of the most prominent newspapers in South Korea. The English-language version isn't known for having a particular political bias, especially for topics like these. For an alternate source, check out this academic book: [2].

I think the detail about him being a slave is what makes the hook interesting. Can we use:

ALT2: ...that the slave António Corea may have been the first Korean to visit Europe?

toobigtokale (talk) 20:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fritzmann2002: Pinging toobigtokale (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

looks good! I missed that you cited the article in addition to the news site, that's my bad. ALT2 is all set, congrats! Fritzmann (message me) 23:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Musician Chick Corea - distant descendant?

His article mentions that his father’s ancestors came from Albi, which, combined with his surname, would seem to tag him as a likely direct descendant of António. However, this would by WP:SYNTH unless we can find a reliable source explicitly connecting the two. Be on the lookout for one.LonelyBoy2012 (talk) 01:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa! Interesting connection. Love Chick's music. toobigtokale (talk) 12:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

There's some funkiness with dates; why do Weststeijn and Gesterkamp say 6 July for their arrival in the Netherlands, and Carletti 7 July? The two scholars give two citations for the claim, but don't explain the discrepency further.

Also I just caught this interesting detail in their paper: Other archival sources suggest that another Korean was present in Zeeland slightly later: a Dutch merchant in Japan, Jacques Specx, had as his servant ‘een Coreer, die voor een bootsgesel met de Japansche vaert ende voor desen met eenich Hollants schip in Zeeland gheweest’. Cornelis van Neyenrode to J.P. Coen, 17 February 1628, in: Coolhaas 1919, vol. 7, part 2, 1226-1227 (and cf. 1257); according to Chi & Walraven 2003, 40-41, this man may have been Rubens’s model. May do something with this info later. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 19:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]