Talk:Anne Fulda

Anne Fulda's entry in the French Wikipedia

In the aftermath of French journalist Anne Fulda's personal connection to President Sarkozy, her entry in the French Wikipedia has been the subject of two spirited deletion debates. The first nomination for deletion, by User:Hadrien McTaggart, was on November 182005, more than seventeen months before the presidential election. The nominator wrote a four-paragraph exposition of the reasons behind the act, starting with the view that the subject of the main article is not an "eminent" person in her profession. One of the "keep" voters, User:Turb Paris, argued that as the author of a book about President Chirac, Anne Fulda is cited in the Chirac bibliography, thus assuring her notability, and that if media phonomena are going to be deleted, a nomination should also be submitted for Paris Hilton. Ultimately, there were fifteen "keep" votes and seven for "delete", including a "delete" vote by User:Popo le Chien (Popo the Dog) who, four days later, submitted a "keep" vote, which was struck over and, 6½ hours later, submitted a second "keep" vote, with a different text. The ultimate outcome, confirmed by User:Dake on December 32005, was "KEEP".

The second deletion nomination, by User:PFM, was submitted nineteen months later, on June 252007, seven weeks after the May 6 election of Nicolas Sarcozy as the President of France. The nominator opened with the argument that Wikipedia is not an illustrated extension of People Magazine and, without doubting the respectability of the journalist in question, the article had not significantly progressed since the previous deletion debate. In addition to the nominator, User:HaguardDuNord moved to the forefront as the most reasoned and articulate observer of the debate, offering commentary on both "keep" and "delete" arguments, but voting for "delete". The "keep" side opened with User:Clodion emphasizing that Anne Fulda has been cited as a reference by journalists, has had numerous writings published in Le Figaro, one of the leading French newspapers, and is a top expert in her field of politics. User:Christophe Theroude pointed to the existence of articles profiling mistresses of French kings and the article about Anne Pingeot, the (well-known, but kept secret by the press) mistress of President Mitterand who, in 1974, gave birth to Mitterand's daughter, Mazarine Pingeot. The final result, unlike the previous (2005) tally, appended a number to each vote, counting 13 for "conserver", or "keep", and 15 for "supprimer", or delete. After tallying the votes, User:GL announced the article's deletion on July 112007, three days before the French national day of Quatorze Juillet, presided over by President Sarkozy, who took the oath of office on May 16.—Roman Spinner (talk) 19:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Translation of the 2007 deletion debate, including the 13 Keep votes and the 15 Delete votes

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Article deleted by User:GL 11 July 2007 at 10:54 (CEST)
See the discussion below

Submitted by: User:PFM 25 June 2007 at 08:27 (CEST)

WP is not (yet ?) an illustrated appendix of People Magazine. I do not doubt for a moment the respectability of this journalist but visibly this article has not progressed in a significant manner since the preceding request for deletion. User:PFM 23 June 2007

While voting to Delete, I am afraid that her status as "mistress of" does her wrong here. Let us remember that, even if we know why the article was created, it is a question of knowing whether a regular but not daily political journalist for a major French daily newspaper, author of a widely publicized book, has her place in WP. In the absence of criteria of celebrity for journalists, this can serve as "jurisprudence" for other of her colleagues. User:HaguardDuNord 25 June 2007 at 12:55 (CEST)

As for me, what I find shocking is, for example, that we require for teachers who are classified in the "intellectual professions" a minimum of 2 works and to be recognized in a relatively strict manner, while for journalists, it is according to the "good will" of the majority of WP readers, some of whom are probably influenced by the most well-known media. Same reasoning for prefects, deputies and ambassadors. User:PFM 25 June 2007 P.S.: For the problem of criteria involving journalists, we can look at the article Laurent de Boissieu.

In reading the article Laurent de Boissieu, I did not find it very justified, and it seems to me that this journalist is more HC than Anne Fulda... User:Hasting 27 June 2007 at 11:24 (CEST)

Keep

1. Keep, She writes numerous editorials in le Figaro. She is cited as a reference by the radio journalists of Europe 1 at least once per week... One of the major specialists in politics. User:Clodion 25 June 2007 at 10:58 (CET)

   The archives of le Figaro credit her for 1 article in June, 4 in May, 2 in April, a dozen in March. On the other hand, I doubt her substance as an editorial writer. User:HaguardDuNord 25 June 2007 at 11:28 (CEST)

   Her work (book and numerous articles) are an essential source for those who are interested, from near or from far, in the Elysée and in the world of politics. Of course, she has been widely covered in the media due to her liaison with Mr. Sarkozy. But, she is very well known in journalistic circles for her always well-written and often pertinent articles. User:Clodion 25 June 2007 at 11:58 (CET)

   I have absbolutely no doubt about the quality of her work, and I do not consider her a trivial person. But I note that she is cited in only one article in WP, that of Chirac, in the Biography section, and not in the body of the text or Notes. The question is therefore: is the fact of being very well-known in her professional field sufficient in order to have an article in WP? It is up to each one to answer. User:HaguardDuNord 25 June 2007 at 12:53 (CEST)

2. Keep One may regret the reasons for her celebrity, but the fact is that she is a notable personalty.--User:EL ✉ - ✍ 25 June 2007 at 10:28 (CEST)
3. Keep Her fame is, in my view, sufficiently established. The criteria for admissibility are indicative. Although I apply them to the letter, the article deserves to be saved with consideration given to the circumstances of the matter. On matters connected with the personal lives of public figures, although article 9 of the Civil Code protects — fortunately — the private life of individuals, she has been sufficiently widely talked about in the news, involuntarily I may add, to have a certain fame.-- User:Grondin 25 June 2007 at 17:59 (CEST)
4. Keep Besides her fame as a journalist, her status as the mistress of the president easily justifies an article in WP. Cf. : List of the mistresses of the kings of France, Mignon (history) or Anne Pingeot.--User:Christophe Theroude 25 June 2007 at 20:17 (CEST)
5. Keep fame apparent --User:Louis Kehlweiler 25 June 2007 at 22:50 (CEST)
6. Keep 2 books and del the private life passage --User:Rosier 26 June 2007 at 00:44 (CEST)
   Inexact, she has written only a single book. User:Diego Pixel 28 June 2007 at 14:53 (CEST)
7. Keep Her role as a journalist and her media effect are reasons for keeping. User:Maximini1010 26 Juin 2007 at 06:25 (CEST)
8. Keep Political journalist for Figaro since 1992: I believe she has had the time to make herself known by her work in addition to the rest. User:Felipeh 26 June 2007 at 17:38 (CEST)
9. Keep National celebrity... User:Efbé 26 June 2007 at 21:53 (CEST)

   Keep... --Bullseye 27 June 2007 at 00:41 (CEST) less than 50 contributions in the encyclopedia space — User:Lachaume 27 June 2007 at 04:16 (CEST)

10. Keep idem as for christophe theroude User:Aymeric78 27 June 2007 at 22:45 (CEST)
11. Keep national and international celebrity established. User:SalomonCeb 28 June 2007 at 01:08 (CEST)
12. Keep Well-known enough to be on WP User:Svartkell - ? 30 June 2007 at 16:31 (CEST)
13. Keep- may have her place, on the other hand to speak of international celebrity, that's very exaggerated--User:Chaps the idol 9 July 2007 at 03:01 (CEST)

Delete

1. Delete Above. User:PFM 25 June 2007
2. Delete Like Valérie Trierweiler. Even if I think that her celebrity as a journalist is a little more established, that still seems to me insufficient, and the status of an official mistress, changes nothing in the matter. User:HaguardDuNord 25 June 2007 at 10:05 (CEST)
3. Delete Idem Trieweiler. To be the wife, son, lover, grandfather of is not a criterion and her celebrity is not sufficient.--User:Bombastus 25 June 2007 at 11:46 (CEST)
4. Delete anecdodal. User:DocteurCosmos - 25 June 2007 at 11:49 (CEST)
5. Delete In order to be consistent with my vote on the proposition of deletion of the article Valérie Trierweiler. User:Ejph 25 June 2007 at 16:18 (CEST)
6. Delete this will not be out of respect for this woman and her entourage, User:Langladure 25 June 2007 at 20:05 (CEST)
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