Talk:Angevin kings of England

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Angevin kings of England

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Result: No consensus. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I have only briefly reviewed the article but I found at least two cases of plagiarism, and several cases of unverified claims, so the article does not meet GA2c and GA2d. Borsoka (talk) 02:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism:

• The adjective Angevin is especially used in English history to refer to the kings who were also counts of Anjou...

• "...any of the Plantagenet kings of England, especially those who were also counts of Anjou..." [1] p. 59

• As far as it is known, there was no contemporary name for this assemblage of territories, which were referred to—if at all—by clumsy circumlocutions such as ….

• "...there was, so far as we know, no contemporary name for this assemblage of territories. When anyone wanted to refer to them there were only clumsy circumlocutions available” (Gillingham 2001, p. 2)

Unverified claims

• References 26, 61, 83, and 84 do not verify the relevant texts in the article. Borsoka (talk) 02:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

As I said in the GAN discussion, I do not think a phrase as basic as "were also [job descriptor]" can be considered plagiarism. There's probably one other way to rephrase that at which point it becomes so basic as to not be a copyright issue. Otherwise, I have no comment on the points raised. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I have no access to the sourcing so I can't fix any ref issues but I attempted to rephrase the second one. Is that satisfactory on that front? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I think the article needs a comprehensive review taking into account that Norfolkbigfish's relaxed approach towards copyvio is well documented. Borsoka (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

If you want to propose we Doug Coldwell him, feel free to take that to ANI, but that's beyond the scope of any one review given he has several. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am close to take them to ANI but instead I give them (again) a last chance. I do not want to get rid of them, but to persuade them to start to improve WP instead of disrupting it with plagiarism, unverified statements and typos. Borsoka (talk) 03:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Angevin kings of England

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After a short review, it has become clear that the article contains original research and copyright violations, thus it does not meet GA2c and GA2d. Taking into account that the nominator has a long history of copyright infringement and they tend to copy texts from a source and citing an other work, we can hardly determine whether the unverified statements listed below contain closely paraphrased texts or texts copied from copyrighted material. Borsoka (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

GA2c: Unverified claims

• In 1171, Henry invaded Ireland to assert his overlordship following alarm at the success of knights that he had allowed to recruit soldiers in England and Wales, who had assumed the role of colonisers and accrued autonomous power, including Strongbow.
• In Le Mans in 1182, Henry II gathered his children to plan a partible inheritance in which his eldest son (also called Henry) would inherit England, Normandy and Anjou; Richard the Duchy of Aquitaine; Geoffrey Brittany, and John Ireland. This degenerated into further conflict. The younger Henry rebelled again before he died of dysentery and, in 1186, Geoffrey died after a tournament accident. In 1189, Richard and Philip II of France took advantage of Henry's failing health and forced him to accept humiliating peace terms, including naming Richard as his sole heir.
• After his coronation, Richard put the Angevin Empire's affairs in order before joining the Third Crusade to the Middle East in early 1190. Opinions of Richard by his contemporaries varied. He had rejected and humiliated the king of France's sister; deposed the king of Cyprus and sold the island; insulted and refused to give spoils from the Third Crusade to Leopold V, Duke of Austria, and allegedly arranged the assassination of Conrad of Montferrat. His cruelty was exemplified by the massacre of 2,600 prisoners in Acre.
• Leaving England permanently in 1194, Richard fought Philip for five years for the return of holdings seized during his incarceration.
• ….Eleanor would spend the rest of her life in captivity. John's behaviour drove a number of French barons to side with Philip, and the resulting rebellions by Norman and Angevin barons ended John's control of his continental possessions—the de facto end of the Angevin Empire, although Henry III would maintain his claim until 1259.
• The rebellion of his English vassals resulted in Magna Carta, which limited royal power and established comon law.
• Marshall won the war with victories at Lincoln and Dover in 1217, leading to the Treaty of Lambeth in which Louis renounced his claims.
• William Marshall saved the dynasty, forcing Louis to renounce his claim with a military victory
• Gillingham (2007a) is a chapter on pages 63–84, but pages 3–8, 10–12, 16, 18, 21–22, 119–121, 279–281, 286, 299 are cited in the article. Borsoka (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

GA2d: Copyright infrigement

• As far as it is known, there was no contemporary name for this assemblage of territories, which were referred to—if at all—by clumsy circumlocutions such as...

  "...the Angevin Empire was the dominant polity in Western Europe, there was, so far we know, no contemporary name for this assemblage of territories. When anyone wanted to refer to them there were only clumsy circumlocations available.."

• Pope Adrian IV had given Henry a papal blessing to expand his power into Ireland to reform the Irish church.

  "In 1155 Pope Adrian ... gave Henry a blessing to expand his power in Ireland,...exhorting Henry to reform the Irish church."

• ...Henry II tried to give his landless youngest son John a wedding gift of the three castles of Chinon, Loudun and Mirebeau.

  "To provide for John, Henry gave him a wedding gift of three castles: Chinon, Loudun and Mirebeau." Borsoka (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2025 (UTC)