Talk:Angel Dust (Faith No More album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

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• All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 22:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Stone Review

Why I am I reverting a removal of the review link for at least the third time? It's a valid review, and nobody ever says why. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 01:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Again today. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] - are these all just sockpuppets or something??? — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 21:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

RV

Hey, I found something interesting but I'm too lazy to put it in the article:

• The song RV is very similar to the Super Mario theme for underwater levels.
• Mike Patton's first band, Mr. Bungle, made a instrumental medley of Super Mario themes (including the underwater one).

Shouldn't that be included?

Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me! • O))))} 16:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

it seems like an interesting point for a trivia section, are there any sources for it? or is it original research? Balthazar (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Smaller and Smaller

The trivia section is mistaken. I saw FNM play with GnR & Metallica at the CNE Grandstand in Toronto. Smaller and Smaller was played.

As the linked page states "The numbers that indicate how often they've played each song are obviously not correct. They are just based on all the set-lists I have collected so far. They've played a lot more shows and I'm sure they've done more cover songs, but this page gives you an overview of what songs they've done so far. It's just for fun."

Why are links to fan pages considered encyclopedic? wbm 08:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Well there's no other documented sources to go off, id suggest either changing it to "according to the bla bla stats bla" or just removing it. Balthazar (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Synthesizer sounds?

Listening the Angel-Dust album: Does anybody know the names of the used synthies and perhaps - if not selfmade - the names of the used sound-patches? 217.255.102.222 09:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe it mentions those kinda things on the individual pages of the songs, and if not I'm sure iv seen something about it on fnm.com. Balthazar (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination failed

I've sorry, but I've had to fail this article's good article nomination. Below are some notes on how to improve the article. I also suggest you look at some GA album articles, or ask on my talk page if you need more help and assistance. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 07:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

• The lead should note the exact (date/month/year) release date.
• The link to 1992 in music is generally not needed
• "To this day it is still held in very high regard as one of the most influential records of the '90s, with Kerrang! magazine naming it number one in the fifty most influential albums of all time." - This statement needs a citation
• "It is a complex and at times hard to approach album." - This isn't very neutral and should be reworded/sourced/removed
• "it was here when he began to influence the band's sound." - Citation needed
• "The unusual moments arguably make the album unique amongst the band's output." - We shouldn't be arguing or attempting to promote content - the article should only contain stuff verifiable by reliable sources. If a source argues this, then you can state it (and cite it) in a neutral manner
• "(a truly odd song; piano-driven and in waltz-time)" - Again, not neutral. It also appears to be original research if it's not verifiably by a reliable source
• "Fans still consider this album to be Faith No More at their finest." - This will need multiple verifications
• "which hit it big in the UK, Australia, and Europe" - "hit it big" isn't really encyclopediac prose, perhaps reword to "was highly successful"
• "But everywhere else it matched or outsold The Real Thing, especially in the UK, South America and Europe" - Same comment as above. Also, a citation is needed.
• "In the UK, with little promotion the album went straight to #2 in the Chart Albums and Faith No More had two UK top 10 hits with "Midlife Crisis" peaking at #10 and their biggest hit, "Easy", at #3, making Angel Dust a chart success." - Citations needed for the charts data.
• Most of the sources come from Faith No More's website - this can be biased and thus probably not a reliable source
• "Official songwriting credits revealed by Billy Gould in an email, 2004." - You can't cite "an email" - it needs to have been published online or in a book, so that it can be verified
• The article needs several new sections, including stuff on recording and background, on release details, any information about touring and concerts for the album, and one on critical reception. These are visible in most GA album articles, for instance look at Internationalist (album) (which I've been working on recently to try and get to featured status) or Vulture Street (which is a GA candidate)
• Only releases after 29 January 1993 feature the Commodores' cover, "Easy", which in some parts of the world was Faith No More's most successful single...Only Japanese releases feature the rerecording of "As the Worm Turns" from the bands first album We Care a Lot." - Both statements need citations
• As per our footnotes guidelines, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark, such that there is no space in between. For example, answers on the CD lasting 18:41^[1]. is usually written as answers on the CD lasting 18:41.^[1]"
• The "Track Notes" section could be considered a trivia section, and could thus be tagged with {{trivia}} - these should be avoided.
• The stuff in the "chart" section needs citations so that the data can be confirmed - the best way to find these citations is to ask yourself where you got the information from in the first place!

Thanks for your work on the article so far - it's appreciated. The article isn't quite ready for GA status yet, but I'm sure with a bit more work it would be at that level soon. Writing GAs is hard - it took my four attempts to have my first album GA (Dream Days at the Hotel Existence) passed, and now it's a featured article! If you need any help with these notes, or with any other aspects of the article, please don't hesitate to ask me, and I'll do my best to assist. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 07:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Research

some usefull stuff that needs wittling down to a degree

RIAA certifications link

Angel Dust, August 20, 1992, GOLD

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Sessions videos 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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Interviews link

usefull interviews jim4, jim5,

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jim6 - jim says at the start of this one that

“ Roddy wanted to name it Angel Dust, i dont know why, i just want you to know that if its named angel dust, it didnt have anythin to do with me ”

Kindergarten = F Sharp^{faq ref}, jim likes it cus it was easy for him to write a guitar track for it, he says "it kinda sounds like van halen"

initial release was set for may, 3 months in the studio, 1 more than previous

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jim7 action adventure, first prospect single

they were expecting to be on tour by may

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puffy2

the recording prosess - Drums first then bass, then keyboards, then gruitar and vocals

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b&r5 action adventure = crack hitler, was gonna be a single with vid for it

Balthazar (talk) ^{02:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)}

Angel Dust singles/promos

220.245.200.230 (talk) 03:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)ty---The singles section propably needs an update, for instance Faith No More's official releases off Angel Dust album are widely known as this: Midlife Crisis (single) A Small Victory (single) Easy (single) Everything's Ruined (single) Be Aggressive (double A-Sided single with 'Easy Land Of Sunshine (a pre-Angel Dust promo single in the U.S) hopefully these are helpful.

Quote dump

You always wait for the band to write the music before you compose the lyrics?

“ Oh yeah, yeah. Have to. I mean there's always ideas but I don't know how to construct a song around words. ” — Mike Patton, “ I guess. But if you notice, to me I can tell that those songs [off The Real Thing] were written in three weeks. Not in the fact that they're thrown together, but they're all from the perspective, like "Oh, ppor this, poor that. Well I was in my room all alone! I didn't know anybody, I'd just moved to the city and it was just like "Oh fuck man! What am I doing here?" This time I think it's a little more confrontational. ” — Mike Patton, “ See the thing is, we knew we had a good album when we recorded it last time. I don't think we see it like it was a record that got huge because really it was a record that we worked our asses off on. At the end it became huge but that was kind of after we'd put in the bulk of our energy. It was like an epilogue. I think the real success thing, if it happens, will be now. This would be the successful record, if it's successful. ” — Billy Gould, “ I think it's gonna piss a lot of people off, and that's a success in itself (laughs). ” — Mike Patton, “ We're kind of thought about (by the press) as having started this thing: "Well you guys are really doing this new kind of music that's kind of funk, kind of rap and kind of metal" and it really kind of bothered us 'cause we never wanted to be in anything like that. Probably, if we'd have kept doing that, it would have been a pretty safe bet thing to do, and we're not really doing that. We're taking a lot more extremes. If some kid goes to buy the new record and thinks that they're gonna get "Epic" there are some songs that might be on key, but if they put on the wrong song, they're gonna take the record back, 'cause it's kind of ugly. ” — Billy Gould, “ When people say you're responsible for a whole pack of really shitty bands -- or not even shitty bands, but a shitty idea -- it doesn't make you want to be it. ” — Mike Patton, “ And you're in the forefront of it. This is what some record company people tell us: "You've created this thing, and you've created this thing of fans that are counting on you to fulfill this need in them. Don't change it because you're going to alienate them and piss them off." A lot of interviews I've done for this record are like "Aren't you worried about alienating your fans?" We didn't have any fans when we wrote the last fucking record. We're doing what we do. ” — Billy Gould, “ You can't worry about that stuff. ” — Mike Patton, “ We're just fucking musicians. ” — Billy Gould, “ It's two beautiful words but a real ugly thing. It's kind of what the record's like; it's got some real beauty in it and it's got some real ugliness in it. It's like the balance thing. ” — Roddy Bottum, “ Alright, there's this one song I wrote about a lady who goes to a surgeon and she's getting operated on and she realizes she likes the surgeon's hand inside of her. She doesn't even care about being cured, she just wants someone's hands inside of her -- she gets addicted to that. ” — Mike Patton, on "Malpractice" Was the album's name [Angel Dust] inspired by narcotics? “ Not directly. The two words just sound nice together, but evoke the image of a horrible drug. We got the picture for the cover from the cover of the Mystic Mood Orchestra's album 101 Strings. Again it's a kind of provocative thing. ” — Mike Patton, “ Not that I am aware of. No good drugs anyhow. No no. We were delighted by the idea that angel dust is a horrible drug that makes you aggressive and paranoid. And the title together with the picture of a beautiful, restful bird, that you would normally see on an easy-listening sleeve. That contrast has a disturbing effect on people. The average rock fan will put a sleeve like that aside: bluh, I don't want to listen to this. That's what we like best. ” — Mike Patton, “ R.V. means recreational vehicle. A typical part of American culture: people live in holiday caravans. We call them white trash. In America, everyone knows someone who lives in an R.V. These people are looked down upon, while everyone knows they're part of society. These people are usually fat, watch TV all day, and eat TV dinners. The song R.V. is almost a mark of honour to those pigs. My family's like that. The kind of people who stay inside these caravans all day and complain: nobody speaks English anymore. No one listens to them, they're only talking to themselves. The song is a profile of the average redneck mentality. ” — Mike Patton, “ `Jizz' means sperm, and `to lob' means to throw. The title is comic, but hasn't got anything to do with the rest of the lyrics. Well, the song is more about being caged than anything else. It definitely is not an orgastic song. But the title is okay. Fine image: sperm flying through the air. Triumphant. ” — Mike Patton,

— Balthazar ^(T|C) 21:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Be Aggressive background singers

Who are the girls chanting on Be Aggressive? --88.74.232.13 (talk) 19:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible that Lindsay Valentine and Nikki Tafrallin who are mentioned as Engineering assistants are those chanters? --88.74.252.253 (talk) 08:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

CD and LP section contains multiple errors.

The CD and LP sections have multiple factual errors. For instance (LP) Polvo Du Angel was Argentinian, not Brazilian, and the limited edition interview CD came with an early reissue of the album, not an early copy (source FNM official discography in their official biography). The cassette section, outside my expertise probably suffer from a similar problem. The error ratio for the release versions section is roughly 25%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AD828321 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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MidLife Crisis

Trust me its "MidLife Crisis" with a capital L. On the CD version, on Rock Band 3, and on any commercially sold form of the song its "MidLife Crisis" not "Midlife Crisis". Mrmoustache14 (talk) 01:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Uhdt7UHnA3w/S-Bn_UC0-NI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/fAAocJihfAM/s1600/Angel+Dust+back.jpg That's pretty irrefutable. Changing it back. lastanzabianca

Well on my copy of Angle Dust its capitalized, also on RB3 its capitalized... also this: http://991.com/newGallery/Faith-No-More-Midlife-Crisis-6045.jpg Mrmoustache14 (talk) 02:12, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

That image you posted is copyright 1990. The song and the album weren't released until 1992. If valid, it was probably a typographical error. Rock Band 3 is not an official release from the band. All media, from the album's tracklisting, to song listings in media with MTV, Billboard listings, etc. spell the song as "Midlife Crisis" with a lower case "L." If you make the revision again I will consult with a member of the band for confirmation.

Official track listings on various media list the song as either "Midlife Crisis" or "MIDLIFE CRISIS" (as per the official single release). Listings as consumer/critic sites as Amazon.com, Allmusic.com, RollingStone.com, list the song as "Midlife Crisis" with a lower case L.

An official billboard listing (in "Buzz Bin")

http://books.google.com/books?id=hxAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=Faith+No+More+Midlife+Crisis+billboard&source=bl&ots=Bam4xXvAa6&sig=0XXzv3PjvOfdIaK5R26h9RFyVwA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QjhmUdabKrHo0AHb8YEY&ved=0CFwQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Faith%20No%20More%20Midlife%20Crisis%20billboard&f=false

If you can post a picture of your record with the alternate spelling, then the song will need to be listed as "Midlife Crisis/MidLife Crisis" due to it being released with alternate typography in different regions. 50.109.0.150 (talk) 04:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

---After looking into this further, I'm sorry to say that the majority of sources released from Slash/Reprise and the band list the song as "Midlife Crisis" Can you please fix all of the changes you made to the various track listings and records? This is a pretty glaring error and we don't want to mislead people with the typography of the song. I'm willing to open this up to someone else for confirmation. 50.109.0.150 (talk) 04:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Fine. I guess I can change them back even though I was pretty sure it had a capital L. I know when I'm beat... 1 problem... It kind of well... moved the Midlife Crisis song page to MidLife Crisis and it won't let me change it back... Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

You can request the moving of the page to the original. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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