Talk:Andrew Gillison

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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Andrew Gillison c. 1915

• ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison died on 22 August 1915 of wounds sustained while trying to rescue an injured soldier from no mans land?

• Source: I've cited it to a book that had more detail but you can get the outline readily from: >McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.

• ALT1: ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison took up arms to snipe at Turkish soldiers in Gallipoli? Source: "Gillison used his well tried target-shooting skills to participate enthusiastically in sniping and counter sniping" from: Walter, John (28 February 2019). The Sniper Encyclopaedia: An A-Z Guide to World Sniping. Casemate Publishers. p. 236. ISBN 978-1-78438-242-1.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pavonia praemorsa
• Comment: ALT0 would be good to run on 22 August

Created by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 859 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 13:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC).

• I'll review this. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Image is public domain, article is new and sourced. Plagiarism checker flags are down to a few quotations and key facts - free of copyvio. My preference for hook would be ALT5 below, or ALT1. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Arcahaeoindris, can you review the paraphrasing please. I reworded "appointed a part-time chaplain to the Australian military" from the lead which in summarising the article I had returned to wording close to the source. The rest of the things flagged look to be proper names of organisations or quotes which I have attributed in the article. Can you please advise on the neutrality issue, is it a concern with WP:NPOV of the article? If with the hook then the requirement at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Guidelines only applies to living persons. That he took up arms whilst being a chaplain was certainly the most interesting fact in the article for me. Happy to look at alternatives though, I have drafted the one you recommended and a couple of others below - Dumelow (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that, on 22 August 1915, Andrew Gillison became the only Australian chaplain to be killed in the Gallipoli campaign? (source: "Gillison was the only chaplain killed at Gallipoli but all knew that they risked death constantly" source: Defence Force Journal. Department of Defence. 1989. p. 81.. NB: Defence Force Journal is published by the Australian Department of Defence, so is written from that point of view. I know of William Jospeh Finn, a British chaplain that was killed there.)
• ALT3: ... that, when chaplain Andrew Gillison was killed on 22 August 1915, the 14th Battalion "suffered the greatest loss it had yet incurred in the death of any one man"? (Source: "On this day (August 22) the 14th suffered yhe greatest loss it had yet incurred in the death of any one man" from: Wanliss, Newton (1929). The History of the Fourteenth Battalion, A. I. F.: Being the Story of the Vicissitudes of an Australian Unit During the Great War. 14th Battalion. p. 71.)
• ALT4: ... that among the last words in the diary of chaplain Andrew Gillison before his death at Gallipoli were "I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again"? (Source " 'I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again'. His diary ends on that sad note" from: McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.. You can also read the diary itself at "Wallet 1 of 1 - Diary relating to the service of Chaplain Andrew Gillison, 1914 - 1915 Page 147/147". Australian War Memorial. Retrieved 16 July 2024. it is the penultimate sentence)
• ALT5: ... that Andrew Gillison was the first Australian chaplain to be killed in the First World War? (Source:"Gillison, of the Fourteenth Battalion, of the Fourth Infantry Brigade, was the first of the Australian army chaplains to be killed" from: Hogue, Oliver (9 December 2019). Trooper Bluegum at the Dardanelles: Descriptive Narratives of the More Desperate Engagements on the Gallipoli Peninsula. Good Press. pp. 120–121.

@Arcahaeoindris: Please review the above. Z1720 (talk) 04:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @Z1720: for keeping you. I find ALT1 and ALT5 the most interesting - maybe ALT5 would be my first choice. However, there is still possible copyvio detected, above 40% for three different sources, see here. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 12:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Arcahaeoindris, if you look at what is being flagged by the automated tool it is largely proper names and quotations I have attributed in the article. I am happy to look at any particular instances you think are problematic but you cannot just rely on the raw output of the tool - Dumelow (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Arcahaeoindris: Does the above satisfy your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Z1720:. Have had another look and happy to pass this. thank you for your patience. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 03:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Arcahaeoindris: If this DYK is approved, please add the green checkmark by pasting {{subst:DYKyes}} under this comment. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Sniping as a non-combatant

Does actively fighting while under the official status of a non-combatant not constitute a violation of The Hague/Geneva conventions, i.e., a war crime? 77.183.179.27 (talk) 09:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)