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Former good article nomineeAndrew Chan (drug smuggler) was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
November 27, 2011Articles for deletionKept
December 5, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk · contribs) 10:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found.

Linkrot: four found, three repaired and one tagged.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    The article is reasonably well written. Complies sufficiently with MoS
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Ref #2[2] is attributed to The Daily Telegraph (Australia).
    ref #38[3] is a broken link, just directs to the current front page of the website.
    There is no citation for the subject's date of birth.
    Other sources appear to be RS.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    There are major problems here. This fails on the criteria of broadness of coverage of the subject. Apart from an un-cited date of birth and mention of Enfield and his employment everything here is about one event, the drug smuggling. Loooking at the other nominated articles most of them contain essentially the same story, told in the same words. A biographical article about a person should cover their life story. This is about one incident, so it fails on this.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    The content of the article is essentially re-written tabloid journalism, it doesn't maintain an encyclopaedic tone.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    Appears stable.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    The image used claims to be fair use because it is it is a historically significant photo of famous individuals; and Its inclusion in the article adds significantly to the article because it shows the subject of this article and how the event depicted was very historically significant to the general public. Neither of these are correct - it is a photograph of two men on a balcony. This is neither historically significant nor are the individuals famous, they are convicted felons.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    For the reasons mentioned above I am failing this nomination. The issues are so fundamental that they cannot be resolved by mere editing. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Question about Andrew: Does anyone know if Andrew Chan ever used the name Jimmy Chan in the past? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.189.217.40 (talk) 01:42, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation

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See also: Talk:Myuran Sukumaran § Occupation

Let's try and resolve this once and for all, rather than having ongoing edit wars. In the infobox, should Chan's occupation be listed as drug trafficker, pastor or none? WWGB (talk) 06:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

His most recent career choice us probably the most relevant. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 07:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot have a career in prison. A job is an "a regular activity performed for payment, that occupies one's time". You can't do that in prison so his occupation and/or occupational choices were on hiatus. The options are as follows:-
1) He didn't have a career
2) He was a supervisor for a catering company
3) He was a drug smuggler. Bear in mind he did at least two successful trips before the failed one, and probably earned far :::more than he did working for the catering company.5.67.167.35 (talk) 13:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ IP : Keep discussing the question here rather than asserting your opinion in the article. Since we are probably unlikely to reach a consensus on an "occupation" or "profession" I suggest that we don't include one but just let the body of the article clarify these matters. Afterwriting (talk) 14:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


My view is, if it's going to be ANY then it can't be paster, that's all. He started being a paster in Prison, and you can't have an occupation while in prison. But not having 'occupation' at all may be more appropriate.5.67.167.35 (talk) 20:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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