Talk:André K. Isaacs

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@Sawerchessread I'm having some trouble seeing under what notability criteria this article qualifies for. Maybe point 7 of WP:ACADEMIC? Or somewhere else in WP:BIO? GuardianH (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to use the basic criteria application in WP:BIO. Andre K. Isaacs is an example of a modern day black academic who has used science and social media to advocate for diversity.

As per WP:BIO "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." I have been able to identify at least 6 sources that are independent of Isaacs from 2021 to 2023 indicating he is successful for science outreach. They are independent and all speak to his enduring work, as well as his story as a black queer scientist finding success.

in terms of academic works, his lab is fairly new. He only recently started his lab, and most labs become notable after years of work. I think point 7 of WP:ACADEMIC would apply. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sawerchessread I think what's at focus here is the portion regarding significant coverage, rather than just the number of independent secondary sources, which alone don't exactly confirm his notability. I'm sure there are secondary sources, but significant coverage? I.e., for whether if the person is frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area, it looks like that would be chemistry here, but he doesn't seem to have significant coverage in that field.

I think it makes more sense for WP:CREATIVE to apply here rather than WP:ACADEMIC in terms of notability. GuardianH (talk) 22:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

alright. personally, these news sources, such as Essence, Nature, and Chemistry World seem to me as sufficiently significant. i do not understand exactly the point of this User:Sawerchessread (talk) 23:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think if what you are suggesting is his notability should solely be a function of his current academic output, then he would not be notable as he is still an early stage researcher. But thats not why he is notable, its his outreach work on social media platforms to historically underrepresented groups. by the second standard, multiple scientific peers applaud him clearly as a leader. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What point would he qualify for under WP:CREATIVE? GuardianH (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]