Talk:Anders' Army

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Anders or Anders's?

I reviewed Wikipedia:MOS#Possessives and I stand corrected: Anders's would be correct as well, from the grammar perspective. But before the move, please - can we see some proof that this is indeed a more common version of the name? PS. Davies, for example, uses "Anders' army" - so ' without an s and lower case army. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 02:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both Anders' and Anders's are fine by me, as both are equally popular in the English language sources. The only form that seems unacceptable is Anders Army, as "Anders" was not the name of this army (neither "Army of the Rhine" case nor "Prusy Army" case), it was an "Army of a guy named Anders", to mimic the Accusative in Polish language. See google books for comparison.

But it's not about whether "Anders Army" is more popular than "Anders' Army" or "Anders's Army", but whether it's a correct translation of the original term. It is not. The Polish term is "Armia Andersa", not "Armia Anders", as would be the case if Anders was a name of the army ("Armia Prusy" - "Prusy Army" case). //Halibu tt 18:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. If you don't mind, I'd suggest Anders', per Davies. If that's fine with you, please move this article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can't, I'm not an admin. //Halibu tt 00:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neither am I. WP:RM is that'a'way. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 01:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Anders' Army. Favonian (talk) 16:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anders Army → Anders' Army – Per the discussion above (in short: correct translation, sources use it). Anders's Army could do just as fine. //Halibu tt 17:05, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:48, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- It obviously needs the apostrophe. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- clearly better this way. Should the consensus be clear, I as an admin can make the required move. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Linguistically correct name. - Darwinek (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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lede vs. text

The lede appears to be longer than the main body of the article. Some of the info form the lede should simply be split off into an article section. I would do it but don't know if I'll have time so if anyone else wants to play... VolunteerMarek 21:04, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Terrrorism

"Irgun planted land mines in Arab markets and attacked Arab buses, and was labelled a terrorist organization by Britain and the Jewish Agency." That is POV, in my view. Any organization that "plants land mines in ...markets and attacked ...buses" is a terrorist organization. I suggest deletion of the words "labelled a terrorist organization by Britain and the Jewish Agency".119.224.91.84 (talk) 07:15, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While I would dispute the neutrality criticism, I removed the sentence for being unreferenced, per WP:V. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jerusalem memorial - where is it?

"In 2006, a memorial to Anders' Army was erected in the Jewish Orthodox cemetery on Mount Zion in Jerusalem." This unsourced info sounds quite dubious. How come it's not at the Catholic cemetery? The text initially said "orthodox" (with small letter, sic), but the link was to Orthodox Judaism. There is a Catholic cemetery there too, as well as a Christian Orthodox seminary. Most of Anders' soldiers were Catholic, while the Belarus soldiers were probably Orthodox. Maybe in 2006 a place at the Jewish cemetery was more easily available, but that's a far shot. Who has a reliable source for this? The photo doesn't indicate the location, nor did Google (English) help. Arminden (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden: Good start is to tag this claim with {{fact}}. In few months if nobody cares to add a ref, we can remove it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

the HC report quoted here as number [9] source should be considered as unreliable as it is a product of a Soviet spy Tom Driberg. Occurence of this report in April 1944 is not accidental either so the whole paragraph should be rewritten. Soviets were starting to get to the terytories that were absolutely not Soviet prior to the war they needed to defame legitimate Polish government and its armed forces. Especially that they were the same people who left Soviet Russia and can describe in detail life and suffering under the Soviet boot. So the black propaganda and smearing and discreditaion of the soldiers was absolutely neccessary. Just to make them in to unreliable information sources as nasty as nazis due to their supposed antisemitism. As at the moment it is biased and politically motivated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.202.156 (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitism

Why was this removed?! PDF is about army's antisemitism and has: "The dominant influence underlying the relationship of the army command to Jews was undoubtedly the anti-Semitism so deeply imbedded in the souls of many Poles. This antagonistic attitude was particularly prevalent among the officer class, and it thus found expression in army life" BarNarDar (talk) 06:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Imbedded in the souls of many Poles? I guess you think that they were also given antisemitism with their mother's milk too. While antisemitism was certainly widespread, it was not as universal as you make out. Get a grip of yourself and stop spouting Soviet defamatory nonsense. 2A0A:EF40:387:5F01:C07F:7134:EC17:AAEF (talk) 00:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]