Talk:Ana Garrido Ramos

Discussion regarding initial translation

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Note: This discussion has been moved from WP:PNT. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:22, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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The language of this article is Spanish. Adam9007 (talk) 01:54, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Has been prodded for lack of notability (I think - having the PROD rationale translated into English would help). Based on the Google translation, this appears to be about a whistleblower in a government corruption case. There are plenty of news articles so I think the notability may be there. But removing the template now means it can't be prodded again later if it is not translated. SimonTrew, can you use your French cow-like Spanish ability to assess this one for us? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Okay @Athomeinkobe:, this is a somewhat franco-bovine translation but I've done it as best I can, it's very much a rough translation.

I think probably notable enough, as a key witness in the Gürtel case, but we seem to have quite poor coverage of the Spanish legal system and government departments etc so I have had to take liberties with things like "Procurator fiscal" (which I have not linked in the article) and "subpoenaed" (which I have) because of the entirely different legal system from what most English speakers would understand (i.e. the common law system in US, UK, Canada, Australia etc). This has led to me having to jemmy in things like employment tribunal which is a fair translation but perhaps not the best one.

I'd like to find a better thing link for "harrassment in the workplace" than workplace bullying. I'm disinclined to create workplace harrassment as a redirect to that.

Also her name, or rather which parts of it are used, varied in the original: I'm aware of (but no expert in) Spanish naming customs but not how we should do it on WP.

Please treat very much as only a rough translation to help others decide whether it's worth keeping. I've removed the PNT tag. Si Trew (talk) 05:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Simon, I wasn't expecting such a quick response. I wonder if some of those legal terms are used in other continental law systems like France or Germany? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, they will be: France particulary. I should have kept the original terms in comments, I guess. The main gaps are not so much the forms of tribunal but that we don't seem to have English articles at all for large parts of the Spanish legal and government systems: I've changed "Judge" to examining magistrate, though.

Just good fortune that I did it quickly (and not well): I am on GMT+2 hours so it's just turned 9am for me: I happened to see the notification when I woke up around 6am so now my keyboard is covered in remains of a full English breakfast, but one good turn deserves another. Si Trew (talk) 07:05, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I just noticed her full name is Ana María Garrido Ramos. I've put that in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE but referred to her throughout, afterwards, as Garrido Ramos. I hope that is right for EN:WP. Si Trew (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

On the name, I believe that is correct; at least, I have seen that second-reference form quite a bit in biographies with Spanish last names. I had similar problems with French court cases and wound up translating a lot of articles about their court system. I wondered about examining magistrate; it's a good summary of what a juge d'instruction does in the French system but if this is a type of judge in the British (common not civil law) system them how similar is it? Not that I feel equipped to answer this about the Spanish system. One thing, and this is not really translation --- Panama Papers lacks coverage of the ramifications of the scandal in Spain and South America, but what is more interesting than the fact that her boss was mentioned is why; some of the more fun stories in PP stemmed from previous scandals which were validated by the PP Elinruby (talk) 00:18, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'm not sure why you think that examining magistrate is in the British system: it isn't (the nearest in the English and Welsh system would probably be the coroner and in the Scots sytem the procurator fiscal: their ambit is these days restricted mostly to investigating causes of death, but previously had a wider ambit). The first sentence starts "In an inquisitorial system of law..." so I thought that a reasonable translation, it was me who initially translated it as "Judge". Si Trew (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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