Talk:Alwyn Court/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Willbb234 (talk · contribs) 13:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take up this GA review. It may take a couple of days as I'm a slow reader. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 13:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

The caption for the photograph in the infobox needs to be expanded, simply "(2007)" isn't enough.
- Done
"The Alwyn Court was originally built with 22 apartments, two on every floor, each with typically 14 rooms and five bathrooms, and elaborate decorations."

This sentence follows WP:NUMBERS, but switching between numerals and words does make it a little strange to read so I'd suggest changing the numerals to words, but if you disagree then please leave it how it is.
- Done
The addition of "and elaborate decorations" seems odd here, perhaps move the clause so that the sentence reads "...built with 22 elaborately decorated apartments..."
- Done

No need for "in the late 1930s", this should simply be "in 1938"
- Done
It may differ in American English, but I'd generally put "named after" than "named for" but leave if you disagree
- Done Though either is generally fine. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Site

"The Alwyn Court" to "the building" for clarification
- Done However, in my opinion, the building's name should be used outright at the very first mention in the body. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink to atrium
- Done I linked to Atrium. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"It is one of several luxury buildings developed around Carnegie Hall, on the northernmost end of Seventh Avenue, by the beginning of the 20th century". There seems to be a tense issue here so I think the sentence needs altering.
- Fixed

Design

The Alwyn Court is thirteen stories tall, with twelve full stories and a smaller penthouse,[11][12] and contains a roof 149 feet (45 m) tall.[13] I propose changing this to At 149 feet (45 m) tall, The Alwyn Court contains thirteen stories, with twelve full stories and a smaller penthouse.[11][12]
- I went with something similar. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"According to one architectural writer," you should be more specific here by saying who the writer is.
- Done
"In subsequent renovations, some of this decoration was removed" you should be more specific.
- Sadly I don't know exactly when these renovations were removed. I may have to look through NYC building records to see which alterations were made. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Each unit also contains private bathrooms" is the word private redundant here?
- Fixed
The paragraph beginning "Following its 1938 renovation..." contains a few tense changes. You say "the apartments contained" (past tense), then say "Each unit also contains" (present tense). I think you just need to check this paragraph.
- Fixed I've changed all to present tense. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

History

The caption saying "Detail over doorway" should probably be expanded to be more specific by saying which doorway and some of the decorations shown. I also don't know whether this should belong in the History section as I think it should be in the Design section.
- Done
You should check reference 42 to see if it gives a specific date for the purchase of the lot (in June 1907).
- Looking through both sources, I can only narrow it down to the week of the purchase. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think you refer to the Alwyn Court a bit too much in this section and perhaps you should refer to it as "the building" more conciseness.
- Done
"Christopher Gray of The New York Times wrote that the building's telephone directory only listed six tenants at that time" as context, you should probably give a date for when Gray wrote this.
- Done The directory was published in 1936, and Gray's article in 1997 was six decades after the directory in question. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"disputes arose between the tenants and owners" should owners be singular here?
- Done

The rest of the article looks fine and reads well. One more general comment, however. Other than the photo in the infobox I would like for there to be some more photos of the building as a whole rather than photos of specific details. Perhaps some views from other angles would be good. I would doubt there would be any usable aerial photos, but if you can find one then that could be useful.

The references check out nicely and I particularly like the usage of old newspapers which gives the article a nice feeling. Once the issues above are adressed, I will sign this article off as a pass. Kind regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 12:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Willbb234: Thanks for the detailed comments. I have responded or addressed all of them. Regarding the images, I attempted to take pictures from other angles, but sadly the facade is covered in scaffolding, and we already have an image of that. I can try looking for historic pictures, though. Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius:. Thanks for your replies. I see you have quite a few more articles pending review at GAN. Would you like me to try and review more, or would you like to wait until the next round of the WikiCup? Kind regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 08:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Willbb234: Thanks, I really appreciate the offer. I'm really going to wait till the next round, though, since it was quite hasty of me to nominate these now. Epicgenius (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Any corrections to grammar or spelling have been made and I've read through the article and made any changes I feel are appropriate.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Issue with WP:NUMBERS was talked about and addressed.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	References were checked and provide full attribution to the author
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Yes
	2c. it contains no original research.	No original research with all statements having an inline citation
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows no plagiarism
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Covers the whole of the topic, with detailed sections on design and history
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Fully focussed
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Yes
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No edit wars
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Images checked
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Yes, all photos are relevant and caption issues were addressed. Additional photos have been requested, but the building currently has scaffolding, meaning any new photos are unlikely to come.
	7. Overall assessment.	Well done and happy editing.

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