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@R Prazeres I didn't know this article exists, but I agree. I believe it could be improved by adding earlier and later events, which would require changing the title (we should remove "of 1187-1188", it's wrong anyway)TybenFree (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, a simpler title might be something like "Ayyubid invasion of Ifriqiya"; there is only one such event/period so the dates are not needed. I'm not sure what a merged article (if appropriate) could be named, so the best thing for now might be to expand both and consider some options along the way. R Prazeres (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll consider creating a WP:RM in the future then; or if other involved editors express support before then, I'll risk a bold move. The articles can still be expanded in the meantime. R Prazeres (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Skitash, given that the article has been edited significantly by other editors (likely not sockpuppets but this can be verified with CU if needed), the relevant deletion criterion, WP:G5, doesn't seem to apply here (as well as because the original page creator wasn't, as far as I know, banned at the time of creation). Since the deletion is contested, I think the appropriate venue would be WP:AFD (even if a blank-and-redirect is what's preferred).
Given the discussion above, I think the best fate for this article might be some sort of merge with Banu Ghaniya invasion of North Africa (currently a stub), with some of the poorly-sourced material left out, and possibly under a new article name to accomodate the full scope of events (i.e. the Banu Ghaniya incursions and the Ayyubid incursion, which eventually joined forces). Let me know if you like this option. R Prazeres (talk) 21:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. Yes, I reckon that merging the two articles seems like a sensible approach. Prior to this, I wasn't aware of the Banu Ghaniya invasion of North Africa article, but there does appear to be significant overlap between the two. Given its heavy reliance on 19th-century sources, I don't believe this article can effectively stand on its own. Skitash (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Yes, the stuff that is based on Baadj 2015 and Eddé 2011 should be alright to build on (and thus perhaps move elsewhere). The other stuff I would indeed leave out; they're not even 19th-century sources, they're 19th-century translations of medieval sources, so very WP:PRIMARY territory. R Prazeres (talk) 22:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While deciding what to do next, there is nothing preventing us from removing everything that is attributed to the primary sources. M.Bitton (talk) 16:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]