Talk:Allow natural death

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 August 2021 and 21 September 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Factprotector, Lifealert23, Ihaveexamonfriday.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 17:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments

This article reads like the "About AND" page of a pro-AND lobby group. It should be reduced to 2 sentences and merged into the DNR page. 79.204.86.74 (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

could add a more clear definition of AND in the summary section, could also add a concise differentiation between AND and DNR to give more context. AdriaBowles (talk) 18:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Overall, I thought the additions added and edited by our peers were well supported, relevant to the article, and explained in clear language accessible to a general audience.One consideration/suggestion: under ethics subheading, the sentence that says "These considerations can involve the four main ethical principles, including autonomy, beneficence, nonmaleficence, and justice." can be clarified. What system of ethics are these the main ethical principles for? Maybe specifying that they are the main principles for biomedical ethics would be helpful and as well as citing where these ethical principles come from.Afoleymed (talk) 03:49, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

UCSF 2021 Work Plan

Article chosen Allow natural death

Why this one? Include WP rating scale? How fit with your interests. Other details as desired Allowing natural death is a controversial practice in medicine that is interpreted differently by people of different cultural/belief backgrounds.

Quality: Start-class Importance: High-importance

Most families have/will have experience with family members receiving geriatric care, so making efforts to change end-of-life practices to be more explicit for families is important for us as aspiring medical providers.

You WP editing team (up to 3) Factprotector, Lifealert23, Ihaveexamonfriday

Initial Analysis of the article The article discusses different sides about changing Do Not Resuscitate terminology to Allow Natural Death. This is a very limited discussion that doesn’t quote any studies or instances where this change has been implemented. Also for the critics of the change, more information (or a link to DNR) is needed. Also more explanation on why the critics find AND still vague and discussion if any alternative has been proposed to this.

Overall organization, what changes Increase length

What will you add? Sections: Ethics, Studies, Pros/cons Other alternative terms

What will you remove? Nothing, short article

What will you augment? Simplify with Hemingway

What will you decrease coverage of? Nothing, need to expand instead.

Roles in the project. List members and planned roles. Possible roles include: Overseer/amalgamator/reconciler Readability editor Researcher Editor/writer-what sections will each do? Linker, for larger groups consider some one who will check the articles linked to make sure that the linked material is sufficient and accurate Images/graphics Other?

Section Editor/ Linker: Lifealert23 Edit “Intro” section, add short section on “Future Directions”, and find relevant image

Section Editor/ Linker: Factprotector Add section on “Ethics” and link relevant sources

Section Editor/ Linker: Ihaveexamonfriday Add section on Implementation and Pros/Cons

Team coordination plan: Options might include, regular team meetings, sharing calendars, setting up a place to keep your work in order to edit collaboratively (this might be the sandbox, or it might be Box or DropBox or Slack, or other) Communicate through slack / google drive Edit through sandbox/google doc

WIP presenter Factprotector, Lifealert23, Ihaveexamonfriday

Comparing DNR vs AND

To add clarity on what AND means, it may be useful to compare AND to DNR in its own section. You could use snippets from the second paragraph of the introductory section to this section, and expand a bit regarding whether it is a legal change, term change, separate entity, etc. Drgojo (talk) 18:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: UCSF SOM Inquiry In Action-- Wikipedia Editing 2022

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 August 2022 and 20 September 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Brownsugar415, Cheetahbonnet, Dblmnsn (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Edupp1993.

— Assignment last updated by Edupp1993 (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I am reviewing the contribution done by my peers in the ethics section of the "Allow natural death" article. Overall, it was a well-crafted summary of AND and DNR ethics concepts, that was relevant and The edits showed great use of neutral tone with no signs of biased language. The facts were all supported by reliable secondary, peer-reviewed sources. The only suggestion would be to consider alternate language for the last sentence of the last paragraph of the ethics section: " Some argue that, in these cases.." The use of "Some argue" makes the sentence seem somewhat unreliable, in my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edupp1993 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

UCSF 2022 Work Plan

Article chosen: Allow natural death

Why this one?: There is a lot of debate regarding the ethics of "allowing natural death" and the ability for one to consent to their own death in end-of-life care decisions. This makes this article of high-importance to provide peer-reviewed information to help general decision-making.

Quality: Start-class

Importance: High-importance - Most families have/will have experience with family members receiving geriatric care, so making efforts to change end-of-life practices to be more explicit for families is important for us as aspiring medical providers.

Your WP editing team (up to 3): Cheetahbonnet, Brownsugar415, Dblmnsn

Initial Analysis of the article: This article introduces the medical term "allow natural death" and compares it to the previously used term "do not resuscitate." By citing both supporters and critics of the use of AND versus DNR, the article maintains a neutral tone. It touches upon the ethics of end-of-life care and terminology used, and also references studies and outcomes.

Overall organization, what changes: Add to what is already there; create an annotated bibliography.

What will you add? See above

What will you remove? Nothing, just plan on adding to the article

What will you augment? Each section with references

What will you decrease coverage of? Nothing, need to expand instead.

Roles in the project. All group members will work on adding to each of the sections based on peer-reviewed references.

Team coordination plan: Communication through slack/class time; sharing edits in the sandbox prior to posting.

WIP presenter: Cheetahbonnet, Brownsugar415, Dblmnsn Brownsugar415 (talk) 18:02, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

AND and DNR can be similar and different

I think in some situations AND and DNR are similar. But using AND can be conscientiously more acceptable for healthcare workers. But in some situations, although the acts and outcomes are still the same as before, AND and DNR are different; for example: If someone dies in an accident, DNR and AND cannot be the same. Safa1364 (talk) 04:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)