Talk:All Souls' Day

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Origin

The November 2 New year of 360-day calendar of Babylon's first king the Amorite Samu-Abum in 1894bc. Every 480 (sothic) Julian years will equal 487 of 360-day having returned. It will always be day Wu (Woo) of Chinese 10-day cycle, and Mayan day imix of 20-day cycle (which falls on kin 1 of every tun). In Mayan this 360-day is shifted 20 days so that the date is always kin 1 of uinal 17. Caution: This is a November 2 Julian date which in this century will fall on Gregorian November 15. This is what proves the Greg.August 11 epoch 3114bc is West of Europe and that the Asian source of Mayans is an East of China Greg.August 12 for day Ahau/ kin-zero (the day before day-imix of kin-1). This also verifies that once the 1894bc Babylon was calculated by scholars, that other versions of Babylon alternatives do not match All Souls Day. Once every 480 years, there exists one span of matching 137-year dates. Example new year Oct 12 of 2370bc matches new year Oct 12 of 2233bc (claimed as 100-year Chinese Yu as Shiloh; but this Shiloh is death of Shelah, or Hindu Shivah the destroyer). All Souls Day is Nov 2 because this 137-year (139 of 360-day) follows 2031bc Nov 1 All Saints Day as new year. If you are not extremely critical of Genesis Noah this 137 years is Noah's new year 944 as Saints Day to new year 1083 as Souls Day.--75.86.64.46 (talk) 16:08, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Poland

Poland actually celebrates this on November 1st - but it's called All Saints Day.

That's because it's a different holiday. Boneyard90 (talk) 21:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As the name says ALL Saints must rise first (to heaven) before they can raise ALL Souls back (to earth). It is a day of flesh resurrection resulting in the modern mythical Zombie Apocalypse.--75.86.64.46 (talk) 16:14, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What the writer probably suggested was that - as All Saints is a holiday of obligation, frequently recognized as a public holiday in Catholic countries - the typical official All Souls Day practices, such as the parish procession to the cemetry with benediction of graves, litany for the benefit of the poor souls, recitation of the names deceased in the previous year, and so on have, by a long standing custom, been moved to All Saints (afternoon, mostly) - so much that All Saints is typically associated with death and even mourning by the local populace. (Thus in Bavaria, it is forbidden to dance in public establishments on All Saints, as incompatible with the serious character of the day, while the law does not lose one word over All Souls...) However, if there's Mass, it must always be of All Saints and in white vestments; there is no option for a black (or violet) vestment All Souls mass on Nov 1st.--2001:A61:216D:F301:5DAB:5433:73BF:417E (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico

I suggest include information about Mexican ofrendas during all saints´ days, that are consumed at the end of this all souls day. This will offer a wider thimble of information.

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Title

Shouldn't the article reside at All Souls' Day? dab (ᛏ) 08:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Incorrect Image

The supposed painting of All Soul's Day by Bouguereau 1859 is actually that of "All Saint's Day". The only public domain image I am aware of in relation to All Soul's Day is by Witold Pruszkowski 1888. Also the person making the statement about Poland is partially incorrect. All Saint's Day is celebrated on November 1st, but All Soul's Day which is different again is actually celebrated on November 2nd unless as mentioned in the article it falls on a Sunday. The pagan reference to the dead on All Soul's Day is also I believe incorrect. Based on the Celtic Samhain and Voudon it is believed that the dead arise to mingle with the living at the feast on Samhain eve, also known as All Hallow's Eve, 31st October. 203.208.116.68 01:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC) Parity[reply]

Please remove my IP no.

Image correct

The Bouguereau painting is "Jour des morts" or day of the dead, which corresponds to All Souls Day on Nov 2. The women are clearly mourning a relative, which fits with All Souls. Toussaint is All Saints Day, Nov 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.149.37 (talk) 11:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wishes

HAPPY ALL SOULS DAY TODAY THUR NOV 2, 2006. It's Thur Nov 2,2006 at 17:16 in Santiago(City approx 10 mins NE of Cordon),Isabela(Province approx 8 hours drive NE of Manila,Metro Manila),Philippines.

Just Surfing. Thanks.

Importance within the catholic church

Does wikipedia need a professional writer for this? If wikipedia asks the vatican, do you think they would actually sponsor such a candidate? 74.65.109.92 (talk) 06:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese

"The official Latin designation Commemoratio omnium Fidelium Defunctorum, on which this last name is based, is rendered more literally in Portuguese Comemoração de todos os Fiéis Defuntos and many other languages." Indeed it can be rendered that way in Portuguese as in many other languages. The usual designation of the day, in Portuguese, is "Dia de Finados" (Day of the Departed). Moreover, it is popularly commemorated, in practice, November 1st (All Saints Day), as this is an holiday while November 2nd isn't. --Xyzt1234 (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

songs about All Souls' Day

If we can have
[[Category:Christmas songs]]
List of Christmas hit singles
List of non-religious Christmas songs
Then what about List of songs about All Souls' Day?
Civic Cat (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The only such song I can think of is the Soul Cake Song, which goes:

A soul, a soul a soul cake All good people a soul cake One for Peter, one for Paul One for Him who made us all

ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:57, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Soul Cakes

Related to that last comment, why does this article not mention Soul Cakes, and the old custom of begging for them on November 2 while singing the Soul Cake song? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it would be good is this article mentioned the soul cakes that used to be baked on November 2 - I would like to know what went in them! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:58, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After a quick Google search just now, I found out that there is a Wikipedia entry on the Soul cake- so can't we have a reference to this article in the "See also" section? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I have just done this myself! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see something

Good to see that on All Soul's Day 2011, people are still editing this article - proving that people still remember the day! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 12:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm from the future. I don't remember this day, I just saw it on the main page and decided to see what it was. But the lead didn't explain. So it's up to you to add the "what" part in 2011, so I (and others) never end up becoming confused and don't ask for your help. If my theory's correct, this message will disappear when the anomaly is corrected. Wikipedia readers of tomorrow are counting on you. Good luck! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So...what is it?

The lead explains when it's observed and by whom just fine, and says it has to do with impure souls, but doesn't mention what the purpose or practice of the day is. I assume the living pray for their dead, and this helps them into Heaven. This (or whatever) should be in the first sentence. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Continental?

"Among continental Protestants its tradition has been more tenaciously maintained." Which continent? People outside the UK also read wikipedia, and "continent" is not a synonym for "Europe". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.117.3 (talk) 11:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the term "Roman" Catholicism

The Catholic Church consists of about 22 rites such as Maronite, Syriac, Chaldean, Coptic, Syro-Malabar, etc. One of them is the "Latin" or "Roman" rite. See https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_Catholic_rites_and_churches It is therefore incorrect to refer to Catholicism as "Roman" Catholicism. Grootdawid1 (talk) 00:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Byzantine tradition Demetrius Saturday

I'm confused by the section on Demetrius Saturday which is followed in brackets by a statement that basically implies there is no Demetrius Saturday ("in all of the Orthodox Church"). It seems a bit suspicious since Oct 26 - fast of St Demetrius - is Nov 8 in the Julian calendar. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 11:18, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anglican All Souls' Day "fused" with All Saints' Day?

The current article says:

At the Reformation the celebration of All Souls' Day was fused with All Saints' Day in the Church of England, though it was renewed individually in certain churches in connection with the Oxford Movement of the 19th century.

Is this correct? All Souls' Day appears as the Commemoration of the Faithful Departed in the calendar in the 1662 Book of Common Prayer - it's unclear to me that it ever was "fused" with All Saints' Day, and even if it was, it appears to have been restored by 1662.

Perhaps someone with expert knowledge of the best reliable sources can help here, please?

The Parson's Cat (talk) 07:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But it in the 1549 BCP it is not there; instead is an octave of All Saints'.

Chamberlian (talk) 04:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked the 1549 BCP (and the 1553 and 1559 versions) and I agree that All Souls' is not there. However, I could not find anything saying that All Souls' was being "fused" with All Saints'; nor could I find anything about an octave celebration of All Saints'. Can you show me where you've found these, please?

Would you agree that All Souls' inclusion in the 1662 Book of Common Prayer does call into question the claim that it was renewed in the ninteenth century? It looks to me that it was restored by the Laudian Movement of the early 17th century - though we really need reliable secondary sources for Wikipedia. I suspect that the situation was more complex, and I'm sure there's high-quality literature out there. (I just don't have the time or easy access to it right now.)

The Parson's Cat (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

Suggest addition of photo showing multitudinous placement of candles in Polish cemeteries. Sca (talk) 00:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference style

This article has an inconsistent citation style, and I will attempt to bring it to a consistent style over a period of time in a number of edits according to what is considered helpful in WP:CITEVAR. Wayne Jayes (talk) 07:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All Souls' Day is not a "holiday"

I took the liberty to change "holiday" into Day of Commemoration because this is what the sources actually say.

All Saints' Day has a unique liturgical and high liturgical rank. It cannot be suppressed by any festival or day of remembrance, but it is not a "holiday". (The preceeding All Saints' Day is a holiday). See also the table of precedence of liturgical dates in the Roman Rite which places the Commemoration of All the Faithful Departed on rank 3. Furthermore, see other sources such as [1] or, for example just [2]. Other skilled sources could be brought if someone is in doubt.--Medusahead (talk) 09:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Connection to "Día de los muertos"

I find the absence of any mention of "Día de los muertos" (even here on the discussion page in the "Mexico" topic) hard to fathom. It's like having no mention of Santa Claus (or even Saint Nicholas) in the main article on "Christmas". Mentioning "los Difuntos" without mentioning "los Muertos" is absurd, particularly given the mention of "Dygwyl y Meirw". --Haruo (talk) 15:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]