Talk:Alfonso Carlos de Borbón

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Father of Alphonso XIII?

Something ain't right here ... the text of this article says that he's the father of Alfonso XIII of Spain, but he's actually the son of Alfonso XII of Spain! --Jfruh 03:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And Something Else . . .

Typing in the name of his wife, Maria Neves of Portugal, redirects back to this page. Moreover, it says they had one son who died in infancy -- but she was born in 1862 and was therefore only 9 years old at their marriage. And yet she apparently had a bunch of children by Robert, last Duke of Parma, as his 2nd wife. But her 1st husband lived until 1936? Major confusion on this article! --Michael K. Smith (talk) 20:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maria das Neves was born in 1852 and married at the age of eighteen in 1871. Her sister Maria Antonia was married to Duke Robert of Parma. Noel S McFerran (talk) 22:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Separation

How come the claims to the thrones of France and Spain went to different people?. Emperor001 17:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't. There were three rivalling successors to the Carlist heritage: Alfonso XIII (yes, as CARLIST claimant!), Xavier of Bourbon-Parma and Karl Pius of Austria-Tuscany (supported by only a very small minority). In France (Legitimist claim) Alfonso XIII was the only successor. More information in the Dutch article, maybe you can translate it with Babel Fish. Most English language Wikipedia article on Carlist pretenders are poor anyway. Känsterle 10:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Death

have deleted the claim about "military truck" which reportedly struck Alfonso Carlos. Indeed some books refer such circumstances, though some prefer to note a "police truck". In either version there are no sources quoted. The Vienna press mentioned rather a "Taxichauffeur" Hubert Wagner, who was driving a car which hit Alfonso Carlos at Prinz-Eugen-Strasse, "vor dem Haus Nummer 4". No details about either the driver or the car are given except that the vehicle was approaching from Schwarzenbergplatz and apparently Wagner did his best to avoid collision; the Carlist claimant behaved somewhat erratically and it looks he was ultimately responsible for the accident, Prinz Alfonso Carlos von Bourbon schwer verunglückt, [in:] Neues Wiener Journal 29.09.36, p. 4, --Dd1495 (talk) 23:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

claimant to the throne of France

the entry claims that following death of his nephew, Afonso Carlos succeeded him "as legitimist claimant to the throne of France" (no source given). I highly doubt this.

First, I have never stumbled over any reliable info that he actually claimed the French throne, or even that he vaguely hinted at his alleged dynastical succession rights. If anyone can support this claim in source, please do come out. The only thing I know is that some French monarchists, chiefly Paul Watrin and Sixte Borbon-Parma, considered Alfonso Carlos the legitimate heir and that was the version maintained in some of the publications related. However, with no explicit endorsement on part of Alfonso Carlos.

Second, I presume it would have been somewhat hard psychologically for Alfonso Carlos to claim the French throne. There is one reason: his obsessive, profound, militant Francophobia. It is more than manifest in his private correspondence. When his distant teenage relative goes off-track this is surely because of her French governess. During the war it is the French who are barbarians, and afterwards they rob Germany. When travelling through France he can't wait to reach the borders of this savage country, as the French are rude, nothing works, trains are always late, there is plenty of pickpockets and so on and so on. Alfonso Carlos carefully cultivated this Francophobia until 1931, when to his great surprise, he found himself declared the legitimist French king.

After 1931 he could not have declared "well, I am not the King of France" because the claims to the French and the Spanish thrones were based on the same inheritance and succession theory. If he had rejected the French claim, by the same token he would have rejected also the Spanish one, which he did not want to do. So, he preferred to maintain silence on the French issue, allowing everyone to believe what they wanted to believe.

If no objections and no info to support opposite claim, I will shortly re-edit this section accordingly. Also the lead needs to be changed (I have written this lead myself with no proper reflection, shame on me)

rgds, --Dd1495 (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

no challenge, have changed as above, rgds, --Dd1495 (talk) 10:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]