Talk:Alexander Goehr

Alexander Goehr is currently a Music good article nominee. Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 05:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Anyone who has not contributed significantly to (or nominated) this article may review it according to the good article criteria to decide whether or not to list it as a good article. To start the review process, click start review and save the page. (See here for the good article instructions.)

Short description: English composer and academic (1932–2024)

A news item involving Alexander Goehr was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 1 September 2024.

Wikipedia

This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians.

Composers

This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Composers, a group of editors writing and developing biographical articles about composers of all eras and styles. The project discussion page is the place to talk about technical and editorial issues and exchange ideas. New members are welcome!ComposersWikipedia:WikiProject ComposersTemplate:WikiProject ComposersComposers articles

Opera

This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Opera, a group writing and editing Wikipedia articles on operas, opera terminology, opera composers and librettists, singers, designers, directors and managers, companies and houses, publications and recordings. The project discussion page is a place to talk about issues and exchange ideas. New members are welcome!OperaWikipedia:WikiProject OperaTemplate:WikiProject OperaOpera articles

Classical music

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Classical music, which aims to improve, expand, copy edit, and maintain all articles related to classical music, that are not covered by other classical music related projects. Please read the guidelines for writing and maintaining articles. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the project page for more details.Classical musicWikipedia:WikiProject Classical musicTemplate:WikiProject Classical musicClassical music articles

Germany Low‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article lacks sufficient references and/or adequate inline citations. Once references have been added, remove the `\|unref=` from this template.

Hertfordshire (inactive)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hertfordshire, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.HertfordshireWikipedia:WikiProject HertfordshireTemplate:WikiProject HertfordshireHertfordshire articles

East Anglia Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject East Anglia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of East Anglia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.East AngliaWikipedia:WikiProject East AngliaTemplate:WikiProject East AngliaEast Anglia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Copyvio?

The lead appears to be a copyvio of the provided reference. Toccata quarta (talk) 07:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the article

It's sad that only now - after Goehr died - we notice that the article needs changes, desperately. Much of the text is simply copied from sources. It needs rephrasing or attribution as quotes. Some of these sources are known (Schott), others will need to be found. I have no access to Grove and MGG. Someone who does could work miracles.

While the article is rich in reflections about his style, facts such as people for whom he wrote and who premiered his works, and dates and locations of premieres, are missing but available in source. We should also have more reviews. Perhaps make the list of works a separate article. For starters. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Progress: we have now an obituary.

Problems:

The lead is not yet a summary.
Y It's more summary now, but could grow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The biography is mixed with details about composition which would better be in the following sections.
The style is not always neutral, and some phrases feel like copied.
Y The referenced facts were rephrased but the others not yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There should be a Personal life section, children are mentioned in the infobox without reference.
We should strive for an article with only referenced facts to bring him to the Main page in the Recent deaths section which he deserves. A few days are left to do that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have now two obituaries, and both are mostly included as references. Several facts still a reference, and rephrasing.

We may want to use a consistent referencing system.
Y --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll tackle this more tomorrow, but have done some preliminary work. In this edit I removed the mini POV-essay, which may contain possibly helpful information that can be cited in the future. – Aza24 (talk) 04:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making a list of compositions and a navbox! I hope we can thus consolidate the article today, and polish more. We should have articles about pivotal compositions such as The Deluge (Goehr) and Psalm IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]