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"Gott Mit Uns" controversy

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I noticed that several people attempted to remove the sentence about the controversy around the "Gott Mit Uns" tattoo. I am assuming this is because they were not aware of it (and not because they tried to, say, hide it). So, here are some references that show that the controversy indeed exists:

I am sure vou can find many more using Google. Anyway, if you think the statement should be referenced, please feel free to add these (or some other) references, but please do not remove the sentence without discussing it here first.

Thanks!

-CasualFighter 04:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The part about the 60's-70's being the peak of the Soviet system at its worst is absolutely incorrect. After Stalin's death in the 50's, the Soviet system turned a 180 and openly proclaimed and enacted a gentler, more humane socialist regime. Repressive security service and secret police were reformed, some of their leaders even executed (Beria - for supposedly being a Japanese spy, although that is universally known to be a final poetic justice joke played on a man who made a career of executing people on trumped-up and ludicrous charges). The majority of political prisoners were released. In fact, the Soviet Union of the 70s was a stagnating social state, not the Oriental absolute monarchy-type dictatorship seen under Stalin. While the Slavic majority enjoyed (slightly) fewer freedoms than its rival American whites, ethnic minorities and women in fact had much greater freedoms than in the US. The Soviet Union under Brezhnev was a rather quiet and peaceful place. Abuses were arguably at their lowest point in all 1000+ years of Russian history (including post-Soviet times!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.167.100.243 (talk) 15:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aleks wasn't in Prison

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I don't think he was in prison at all. I haven't found any source so far which confirms this. My main reason to not believe this is because you can't enter Japan with a criminal record (which is also why Tyson/Sapp didn't happen).

I have no idea where you heard that, but Aleksander was most certainly in prison http://fedor.bel.ru/index_eng.shtml?id=35 From Fedor's OFFICIAL SITE: "For example, there is a cathedral with five domes on my right hand and each dome denotes one year of imprisonment." Also I don't know where you heard you can't enter Japan with a criminal record because Tyson and Sapp issued their challenge IN PERSON at a Sapp fight in Japan. The reason the Tyson/Sapp fight never happened is because Tyson signed with PRIDE while Sapp signed with K-1.Killridemedly 15:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When did he serve these 5 years then? According to http://fedor.bel.ru/index_eng.shtml?id=35 he fought in 1999. He started fighting in Pride in 2003 so between these years it didn't happen. Before 1999 he was still an underage teenager. Unless he commited an armed robbery at the age of 12, he didn't. Yes, the tattoos tell us he did, but his tattoos don't have to be a source of truth. He could have just liked the design. There's no proof other than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.250.171.134 (talk) 12:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who says it didn't happen between then? He could have fought in 1999 and been imprisoned right after, he doesn't say when in '99 it happened. Also, it's not unheard of for children as young as eight-years-old to be placed in prison in Russia, so he very well could have served the time starting at age 12. Also, going by his birth date, he could have been arrested at 14, released at age 19, and then competed in the competition at age 19. It isn't impossible.Killridemedly 21:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)U[reply]

Impossible. The Russian juvenile penal system has a different 'culture', with a different set of 'rules', 'ranks', and tattoos. Juveniles are never incarcerated with adults. Also, to get 5 years as a juvenile would require a multiple murder 1 conviction with a maximum sentence for outstanding brutality (that would be an approximate translation of the essence of that article of the penal code, using American-style terminology, for those interested in arguing).83.167.100.243 (talk) 15:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)Adieu[reply]

aleks did spend 5 years in a russian prison. watch the bodog he was in. they clearly say it before the match. i would post a source but it would get erased cause its a link to a torrent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.69.78 (talk) 06:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i found an update on aleks time in prison. according to an interview with fedor he was sentanced to 5 years but only spent 3 1/2. also wanted to note its in russian. source: http://www.sport-express.ru/art.shtml?155946 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.69.78 (talk) 00:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to argue about. He has 2 tattoos that show clearly his status in the thief's world, and he would have them cut off if he was not authorized to have them. So he is an authority in prisons in Russia and other former Soviet countries. It's a rank given to convicts by convicts who have a certain understanding of the world and live their life a certain way. There is no age restrictions, and 23 is old enough if life long thieves crown him. This is taken very seriously in Russia and if those tattoos were fake, irrelevant of his fame he would not leave prison alive or with the tattoos attached to his skin. The only remote option was that he paid a few million to be allowed to have them, though such people are called Oranges, and the practice was forbidden in mid-1990s. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 13:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Boxing record

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On RIA Novosti it was reported that his fight on October 3 was a tie by decision. Unless I'm missing something, the current information in the article is wrong. 97.125.112.127 (talk) 01:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read it as if he won as well so I did a copyedit to make it more clear it was actually a draw (as Boxrec confirms). --aktsu (t / c) 01:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fighting style

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I don't know how the "style" is determined in the infobox, but shouldn't it be Sambo rather than boxing? It seems that he started Sambo before he started boxing, and it's his most decorated style outside of MMA. - 76.95.91.104 (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should be both boxing and sambo.

Aleksandr not Alexander

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I dont understand why Wikipedia insists on anglicizing Aleksandar to the english version, Alexander. ESPECIALLY since french people named Alexandre get to keep their names. First there is no E, its not duuuuur its drrrrr. Imagine if we found Marko and decided that Marco was the correct way to spell it.

Watch russian sports like hockey, basketball and soccer and you will see that even when using latin script, the russians use Aleksandr (and the other variations).

And every one of the 5 Aleksandar, Aleksandr and Oliksandar find it annoying as well. Its ok when someone doesnt know, you cant blame them but when organizations do it they say its a lack of respect that other names dont get when translated from another script. Worse, wikipedia has no definitive stance on this since I found two articles and both have different spellings.

There is a top russian soccer team whose wiki page i checked and they have 4 Aleksandr and 2 Aleksei. Manchester City defender Aleksandar Kolarov name is spelled exactly like that in all english and european media. And even Russian Today (english) use Aleksandr during their shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.95.47 (talk) 07:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually his name is spelled Aleksander

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