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GA Review

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    See below.
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    MOS:IMAGES isn't too keen on forced image sizes, but I'm OK with letting it go here.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Lead

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  • He won the 2007 Tour de France with the Discovery Channel team and the 2008 Giro d'Italia and 2008 Vuelta a España with Astana, being the fifth racer in history, and the first Spaniard, to win all three Grand Tours of road cycling, among legends Jacques Anquetil (1963), Felice Gimondi (1968), Eddy Merckx (1973) and Bernard Hinault in (1980).
  • I'm a little unsure what the bracketed years mean here as well. Is this the year they won their third Grand Tour?
  • Bernard Hinault in (1980). The in is redundant.
  • While he competes for the overall titles, he is considered a climbing specialist, although recently he has improved his Time Trialing ability somewhat, and is becoming more the complete grand tour rider. I'm not super keen on somewhat here, and the sentence is very close to OR. Can you provide sources that say his TT ability is improving? Shouldn't be too hard.
  • Is there a page you can link to for Time Trialing?
  • Grand Tour has gone to grand tour.
  • He has earned a reputation as an all-rounder, a cyclist who excels in all aspects of stage racing. How is he at pack sprinting?
Probably okay, but that's not a skill that's required for GC success in stage racing. I'll revise the statement. Nosleep break my slumber 22:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Early years and family

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  • He discovered cycling at the age of 14 thanks to his elder brother Francisco Javier. Contador had previously practiced other sports such as football and athletics. These sentences would work better if you swapped them over (and fixed the problems associated with such a swap), as the next few sentences talk about cycling, so the flow would be better.

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ONCE/Liberty Seguros (2004-2006)

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  • In his first year as a professional he won the eighth stage (ITT) of Tour de Pologne. ITT should be spelt out on first mention, and linked here only (it's also linked further on).
  • I'm sure it should be the Tour de Pologne. This applies equally to the other times in the article when events are named.
  • There is no cite covering the latter part of the first paragraph.
 Done (all of the above) Nosleep break my slumber 14:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2007 season

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  • Link Discovery Channel again.
  • under a cloud of suspicion due to the Operación Puerto doping case. Although you elaborate later on, I reckon you should say he was implicated rather than under a cloud of suspicion.
  • Upon Rasmussen's removal from the race before stage 17. Should probably say why...
  • In the stage 19 individual time trial, mention it's the penultimate stage (probably don't need to mention that all they do on the final stage is drink champagne).

 Done Nosleep break my slumber 22:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Per MOS:IMAGE, left-aligned images should not be situated below level 3 headings.
  • Upon Rasmussen's removal from the race before stage 17 for lying to his team about his pre-race whereabouts... I reckon you should say pre-race training whereabouts.

2008 season

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Because of the doping scandals from the Biver-led Astana Team. I'll find a source for that, shouldn't be hard. Nosleep break my slumber 22:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Johan Bruyneel alluded to this on Belgian television by saying: "I'm not going to repeat the words I could hear him shout over the phone, but let's just say it wasn't pretty". Needs a cite.
I think I'll probably just take it out.
  • Contador was proclaimed winner of the Giro the 1st June 2008 in Milan. Fairly obvious problems here.

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  • He placed fourth in the individual time trial, 8 seconds behind his Astana teammate Levi Leipheimer. 8 → eight.

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 Fixed before I even came back to this talk page :)

  • Contador later seemed to take some offense to Leipheimer seemingly riding with winning the Vuelta in mind. The source doesn't say Leipheimer was seemingly riding with winning the Vuelta in mind.
I'll get to the other points, but that source has Contador speculating that if the ITT were any longer, Leipheimer (who is generally accepted as a superior time trialist to Contador) would have won the Vuelta. I'm not sure what else Contador could have meant. Nosleep break my slumber 22:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might have fixed my problem before you got to it again. For clarity, say offense to Leipheimer seemingly riding instead of offense to him seemingly riding. Apterygial 10:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done

  • The last section of this paragraph needs cites.

 Done

  • Contador was without a professional contract until mid-January 2007, when he signed with Discovery Channel, after having been implicated in the Operación Puerto doping case. It'd work better if you said he was implicated first, such as: After having been implicated in the Operación Puerto doping case, Contador was without a professional contract until mid-January 2007, when he signed with Discovery Channel. Otherwise it looks like he signed because he was implicated.

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2009 season

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  • On September 9, 2008. Date consistency.

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  • placing second to young gun Ryan McElligott on Stage 3 Three things: have you got a better way of saying young gun, redlink Ryan McElligott and Stage should be stage.

 Done "Young gun" was absurdly ridiculous. Nosleep break my slumber 23:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • He looked sure to win Paris-Nice again after winning the prologue and the toughest mountain stage, leaving Luxembourg national champion Fränk Schleck in his wake, but suffered a dramatic breakdown in stage 7, losing his yellow jersey to fellow Spaniard Luis Leon Sánchez. Needs to be NPOVed.

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Doping allegations

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  • Merge the second and third paragraphs.

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  • On 28 July 2007 the French daily Le Monde. Overlink.

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  • On 28 July 2007. Needs a comma after 2007, same with the start of the next paragraph.

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Other points

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  • I'm fine with having the Winner of the Tour de France succession box and the Tour de France Yellow jersey winners box, doesn't seem to represent much of a clash of information to me.
  • The Major achievements is fine at the moment (though if you could find a blanket source for it and put it in the External links section that'd be great), but as it gets bigger in a couple of years you should consider giving it its own article.
  • I think to reach the comprehensive criterion the article needs to have a Personal life section - not too much though - as at this stage there is very little on him outside of cycling.

References

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Ongoing overall impressions

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Overall, it seems OK, but there are quite a few grammar and citing problems which need fixing before it can be passed to GA. I'd love it if someone could give it a good copyedit before I continue the review, as at this rate it could take quite a while. Apterygial 10:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely got better in the last 24 hours, but there is still a bit there to fix. Apterygial 11:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Getting very close, just a few more things left to do. Apterygial 01:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Passed GA

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I'm passing this article for GA. This article has displayed a huge improvement on a week ago, so congratulations there. A key thing with articles such as this is to remember to update it often, apart from that, good luck! Apterygial 09:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]