Talk:Alaska Airlines Flight 261/GA1

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 19:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

So I've looked at this article several times. It has a neutral tone, a good length, sufficiently sourced (the majority from the NTSB report) and uses media. It's already a B-class artice (which is just behind good class) so I think it might be ready to be rank as a good article. Tigerdude9 (talk) 19:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Tigerdude9, so I'll be reviewing this article. Just wanted to note that you shouldn't be the person opening this page, as you're the nominator. You should open a nomination page if this is a FAC, but not if this is a GAN. I changed the reviewer name to me, anyway, so this doesn't have to be deleted. This may take time, since I'm also active in updating situations regarding Sriwijaya Air Flight 182. GeraldWL 10:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Tigerdude9, can you respond to my comments below? GeraldWL 14:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes I can. Tigerdude9 (talk) 01:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis Update: I've done nearly everything you suggested in the comments, but I could not find any free photos of the actual aircraft involved. Tigerdude9 (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Unless the claims are controversial or it's not being talked about in the body, leads don't need to have citations. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  Tigerdude9, there is still one citation in the lead. Is it needed? GeraldWL 11:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

  The claim isn't controversial, so probably not. Tigerdude9 (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

• Hmm... no free images of the actual aircraft? GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Background

• Link "McDonnell-Douglas MD-83". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link "Alaska Airlines". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• "Captain Edward (Ted) Thompson"-- Why the brackets? If it's the nickname, then probably use quotations instead. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link "Seattle". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delink "Seattle" in the "Passengers" section. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Initial flight segment

• "Alaska 261" --> "Alaska Airlines Flight 261". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Suggest expanding "Puerto Vallarta" to "Puerto Vallarta's Licenciado Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Suggest adding San Fransisco Airport's abbreviation SFO. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delink "SeaTac, Washington" as a duplicate link. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link Stabilizer (aeronautics) within "stabilizer". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• The section repeatedly cits ref 1. Only one ref1 is needed, placed at the last sentence of each paragraph. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• "...whether to divert to Los Angeles" --> "...whether to divert to LAX". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• "...or continue on as planned to San Francisco" --> "...or continue on as planned to SFO". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• "Later, the NTSB" --> "Later, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

First dive and recovery

• Link trim tab within "trim system". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• "130 to 140 pounds (580 to 620 N)"-- is "N" Newton? GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Suggest adding the abbreviation "ATC" next to "air traffic control". GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Second dive and crash

• Link jackscrew. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Link Pacific Ocean. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delink "SkyWest Airlines" in last paragraph, duplicate from previous. GeraldWL 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Wreckage recovery and analysis

• "All wreckage recovered from the crash site was unloaded at the Seabee's Naval Construction Battalion Center Port Hueneme, California, for examination and documentation by NTSB investigators." What exactly does "documentation" mean?
  • Documentations refers to evidence of official information. Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
• "As the jackscrew rotates, it moves up or down through the (fixed) acme nut"-- why is "fixed" bracketed?
  • It doesn't appear to be part of the report as it's not in quotes. Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Identification of passengers

• "All occupants were identified"-- occupants sounds vaguely... legal. Maybe change it with "passengers".
  • Can do. Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Aircraft design and certification issues

• Tigerdude9, "Maintenance procedures such as lubrication and end-play checks were to catch any excessive wear before it progressed to a point of failure of the system. The aircraft designers assumed that at least one set of threads would always be present to carry the loads placed on it, therefore the effects of catastrophic failure of this system were not considered, and no "fail-safe" provisions were needed" is not cited. GeraldWL 07:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I found sections in the report to support that claim. Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

    Tigerdude9, just wanna make sure, have you addressed all the comments above? Only after so I can continue, just to make sure that you're still engaged. GeraldWL 07:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

    • Yes. I've made the changes. Tigerdude9 (talk) 18:10, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
      • OK, I'll move on to next round of comments. GeraldWL 06:12, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

      Tigerdude9, let me know if you've resolved all the below comments. GeraldWL 05:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• (Jackscrew design improvement) "In 2001, NASA recognized the risk"-- extend the word "NASA" to "National Aeronautics and Space Administration", and link to the article.
• (John Liotine) "and in 2000, Liotine filed a libel suit against the airline." Link libel suit.
• (Aftermath) "Steve Miletich of the Seattle Times"-- change to "Steve Miletich of The Seattle Times".
• (Aftermath) "Subsequent DNA testing proved these claims to be false." Link Genealogical DNA test within "DNA testing".
• (Aftermath) "The crash has appeared in various advance fee fraud ("419") email scams". Link email and scams.
• Why is the section "Notable passengers" in the Aftermath section? Shouldn't it be part of the "Passengers" subsection?
• (In popular culture) "which was called "Fatal Fix" in the United Kingdom, Australia and Asia." Needs citation.

• • Gerald Waldo Luis, I have resolved the comments. Tigerdude9 (talk) 16:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

    Tigerdude9, sorry for the long wait! I'll elect this article as GA, but images require alt texts; see WP:ALTTEXT. If you've added it, notify me here. GeraldWL 08:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

    • Gerald Waldo Luis, I've added alt texts to the images. Tigerdude9 (talk) 23:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

      Tigerdude9, sorry for the long wait, I've been into some projects. Anyway, promoting. GeraldWL 07:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

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