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Blackmail affair

I did complete revision based on source (Swissinfo.ch) and according to the rules (Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). There were wrong facts and more in the article. KurtR (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You just did a blatant vandalism.... reverted!

--2A02:1205:506B:3560:6482:509D:F46C:FAD5 (talk) 18:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong, I deleted the wrong things and also things against the rules (Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). Please follow the rules, otherwise I will have to send a vandalism report. KurtR (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The vandal is you, just send the report, everything is sourced....

--2A02:1205:506B:3560:6482:509D:F46C:FAD5 (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some sourced are wrong, some things are against the rules of [[(Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons)]]. Read the rules. KurtR (talk) 21:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I invite you to put a reference for the fact that "some sources are wrong"....

--2A02:1205:506B:3560:3426:A1AF:CBBA:ADCF (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here the source[1]. Your source insideparadeplatz is a finacial blog, not a reputable source. Also this personal things are not relevant for a BIO. KurtR (talk) 20:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another source has been added ... thank you very much for your effort in describing the reality of the facts ... if there are two versions you must put them both ... here:^[1].

--2A02:1205:506B:3560:39F2:33A6:D15F:D063 (talk) 09:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

False. The accusations have proven to be false, and such private details do not belong in a biography article. There are also Wikipedia rules like (Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). I would like to point out to you that your reinsertion of false facts that damage the reputation of persons can be punished by civil and criminal law. You are not anonymous. KurtR (talk) 02:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I invite you to include in the article a source affirming that the version of the Weltwoche is false, this is how wikipedia is built, by the contributions of each one. I took note that I was going to suffer your anger, that you are going to pick me up from my house ..... with the Tigris unit perhaps? I wish you good work and fun on Wikipedia. Have a nice day.

--2A02:1205:506B:3560:5DA3:952D:B740:84CF (talk) 11:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added another source, for your appreciation: Léman Bleu on Alain Berset's Blackmail's affair

--2A02:1205:506B:3560:5DA3:952D:B740:84CF (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is the last time that I communicate with you. Your articles (lemanbleu and others) are outdated, from September, the content outdated with newer articles. You continue to ignore all the new articles (NZZ, Tages-Anzeiger etc.) that prove that there was NO abortion. This has admitted the woman herself and recorded in writing at the prosecutor's office. Since you continue to write false facts in the Wikipedia article, one must assume that you do this deliberately and intentionally to harm Berset. This is justiciable (criminal and civil law) and you won't be able to talk your way out of it that you didn't know, everything is recorded here on the discussion pages, in your edits, in your comments, all your IPs are logged. I'm not going to respond to your discussion posts anymore. KurtR (talk) 06:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So goes the neighborhood.... I invite you, once again, to include this version of the case in the article, with your sources. If you do not proceed, your sources have to be weak.... I do not have the capacity to harm Mr. Berset, this guy does the work himself perfectly!

--2A02:1205:502C:9800:D1E5:8D54:9B27:70F3 (talk) 22:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sources that there was no pregnancy and there was no abortation:

Even weltwoche.ch writes:

Und plötzlich nahm sie per vierseitigem zivilrechtlichem Dokument unter Entschuldigung an die Adresse des Ehepaars Berset sämtliche Vorwürfe zurück. Weder habe ihr Alain Berset ein späteres gemeinsames Leben versprochen noch sei sie von ihm schwanger gewesen noch habe er sie zum Abbruch der Schwangerschaft genötigt und dafür 100 000 Franken versprochen.

NZZ.ch says too: Wie ebenfalls aus dem Bericht der «Weltwoche» hervorgeht, krebste die ehemalige Geliebte im Laufe des Strafverfahrens schrittweise zurück. Zunächst räumte sie ein, Berset habe nichts von einer Abtreibung gewusst und sie folglich auch nicht dazu genötigt. Zuletzt, in einer aussergerichtlichen Vereinbarung, gestand sie sogar ein, gar nie von Berset schwanger gewesen zu sein. Was nicht in der «Weltwoche» steht: Polizeiliche Ermittlungen legen offenbar den Schluss nahe, dass es sich bei der angeblichen Abtreibung um die Einnahme einer sogenannten Pille danach gehandelt haben dürfte – allerdings mehrere Monate nach Beendigung der Beziehung mit Berset, also im Zusammenhang mit einem anderen Partner. Die Konfrontation mit diesen Fakten soll die Künstlerin dazu bewogen haben, die schriftliche Vereinbarung mit Berset zu unterzeichnen.

This all proves that there was no abortion and that the woman lied. And your writings in the article are wrong. This is the end of your Edit-War and our conversation. KurtR (talk) 12:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A war? Thank you for adding sources to this discussion page. Finally, you can add them to the article.... it is very simple. Do you want me to help you?

So we are talking about this one:

The Weltwoche 's revelations include the fact that Berset allegedly demanded of his mistress, a young artist known 15 years his junior, that she have an abortion and refused to help her pay for the procedure while his income would not have exceeded 3000fr ^[2]^[3].

Do not revert this part, your sources say nothing about it: Berset allegedly called in a psychiatrist who diagnosed her with schizophrenia without ever having seen her in consultation.^[4]^[5]^[6] She plans to release a book on the case.^[2]^[7] Thank you! --2A02:1205:502C:9800:E156:FDCD:F1E7:2D21 (talk) 12:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added your source and the explanation brought by you.

--2A02:1205:502C:9800:F448:808D:ACB0:5B2D (talk) 11:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, we don't write about an abortation that never happened. This is a biography, not a yellow press article. Then about the schizophrenic thing etc.: Other media portray this differently. It is also not relevant to this biography. You have to learn what the difference is between a yellow press article and a wikipedia biography.

KurtR (talk) 01:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are in the english wikipedia, not on the biography page of his political party, like here: biography of berset on the web page of his political party

--2A02:1205:502C:9800:F448:808D:ACB0:5B2D (talk) 11:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Funny. Check out the French Wikipedia, there is also nothing about abortation etc. in the article because it is not relevant for the biography. You should learn how to write a biography, this what you do is yellow press, you can write such things on your personal blog, on Facebook, wherever you want, but not on Wikipedia. KurtR (talk) 22:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First you must learn that you are in the english wikipedia, wikipedia is not considered as an official source.... Weltwoche is definetely NOT considered as yellow press.

--2A02:1205:502C:9800:A9FA:3901:77BF:914A (talk) 11:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say Weltwoche is yellow press, I did say your writing is in style of yellow press with details that don't belongs in a biography, like wrong claim of abortation, about this schizophrenia thing, which other media reports a lot differently than Weltwoche and so on. The reporting by Weltwoche is criticized: «Durch die tendenziöse Berichterstattung der ‹Weltwoche› stehen happige Vorwürfe im Raum» says FDP-Nationalrat de:Matthias Jauslin. Tagesanzeiger.ch. KurtR (talk) 17:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can add it to the article....

--2A02:1205:502C:9800:7DAF:E0F4:52BC:94B2 (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

RfC going on about the infobox

Due to the recent revert conflicts especially on this article, there is an RfC going on right now about how the infoboxes for Swiss politicians and especially members of the Federal Council should be formatted, over on Template talk:Infobox officeholder#RfC: guidelines on Swiss federal councilors infoboxes. Julio974◆ (Talk-Contribs) 17:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2021-37/diese-woche/frau-von-bersets-truppe-plattgewalzt-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-37-2021.html

[auto-2] Weltwoche-Bombe: Bersets Affäre wird Staats-Skandal - Inside Paradeplatz

[3] ttps://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2021-37/diese-woche/frau-von-bersets-truppe-plattgewalzt-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-37-2021.html

[4] ttps://insideparadeplatz.ch/2021/09/16/weltwoche-bombe-bersets-affaere-wird-staatsskandal /

[5] ttps://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2021-37/diese-woche/frau-von-bersets-truppe-plattgewalzt-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-37-2021.html

[6] ttps://www.lemanbleu.ch/fr/News/Alain-Berset-accable-par-de-nouvelles-revelations.html

[7] ttps://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2021-37/diese-woche/frau-von-bersets-truppe-plattgewalzt-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-37-2021.html

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