Talk:Aili Jõgi

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Did you know... that Estonian nationalist Aili Jõgi, aged 14, blew up the wooden memorial that preceded the Bronze Soldier in Tallinn in 1946?

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Clarification

A few clarifications from various estonian-languague newspaper interviews with her. She was arrested at age 14 (spent 15th birthday in NKVD holding cells in the infamous Pagari Str. building). Also, she wasn't a suspect initially, but was arrested together with a group of schoolchildren who tried to smuggle out a wounded forest brother from guarded hospital, someone broke and mentioned the statue during interrogations. Nice quote: "It was wooden. We could have just doused it with gasoline and set fire to it, but we wanted it to go with a bang". Edgar Vares-Barbarus 23:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where is that quote mentioned? Camptown 21:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Postimees daily[1], estonian only:

"Et kaua me vahime seda punast viisnurka, venelastest korteriröövlitele püstitatud sammast. Samal ajal kui meie sambad on kõik lõhutud. See ei mahtunud kuidagi pealuu sisse. Leidsime, et kui niisugused röövlid märatsevad Eestis, siis vaadaku, kui hea on, kui õhku lastakse nende mälestusmärgid. Võinuks ju selle puupostamendi ka bensiiniga üle kallata ja põlema panna, kuid tahtsime seda ikka pauguga teha."

"How long should we watch this red star, a memorial for russian looters. At the time when all our statues are being destroyed. We just couldn't get our heads around it. We decided that if such robbers are raging in Estonia, they should see how one of their memorials gets blown up. We could have just doused the wooden thing with gasoline and set fire to it, but we wanted it to go with a bang." Edgar Vares-Barbarus 02:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is her husband Ülo Jõgi the same Ülo Jõgi that died yesterday ([2])? DLX 09:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The date of his return from exile (1971) checks out, as does his membership of Erna recce unit that Aili Jõgi's husband belonged to[3],[4]. There's a detailed article about why he was convicted as 'finnish spy', written by himself[5]. In short, he was part of an Estonian unit formed in Finland that landed and operated behind soviet lines in 1941. Edgar Vares-Barbarus 09:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, the source above [6] gives more exact data on the punishments. Ageeda as the older one (she was 15 at the time of the deed) got 10 years of labor camp, Aili got 8+2 (8 years of labor camp, 2 years of exile). It's described as maximum allowable punishment for their age under USSR penal code back then. Edgar Vares-Barbarus 10:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like postimees.ee has been blocked for foreign visitors again... Camptown 11:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we had another surge in attacks, Postimees and our SEB branch were hit the hardest. Edgar Vares-Barbarus 23:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Terrorists

I have started the discussion at Category talk:Terrorists#Aili Jõgi. -- Petri Krohn 11:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

People on photo

Who, exactly, are the people in this picture? --Camptown 10:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not named, the byline just reads 'EÕVL juhatus lahtisel koosolekul 11.12.04 "Memento" Liidu ruumes' - "Ex-Student-Freedomfighters' Union's leadership having an open meeting in 'Memento' Union's offices on 11/12/04". Edgar Vares-Barbarus 11:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spies

My grandfather was claimed to be a German spy and collaborator. He was deported to siberia with his whole family and later killed. While it is interesting to note, that real reasons were his farm which was turned into a kolhoos. Also, he was apparently really bad spy as he didn't have much else to spy on other than his cows.

He didn't know much about germans either, as german military never visited the location. Suva 19:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article is not about your relative, to the best of my knowledge. We're talking about a person who wrote memoirs about being a member of Erna group. Reference provided. RJ CG 20:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spys don't wear military uniforms identifying which side they are on, that's why they are called spies. Erna wore Finnish uniform. Martintg 21:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]