Talk:Aftermath of the Holocaust

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Title

Would it be more appropriate to title this article "Holocaust aftermath"? --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 02:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The continued killing of Jews after the German surrender

I am not at all happy with the current aftermath section of the Holocaust article, nor of the this article, both should be greatly expanded, or a new article should be created, for example "Flight and Expulsion of Jews from Poland after World War II".

Some source material:

The Killing After the Killing After the Holocaust ended in 1945, Poland's surviving Jews still faced hatred from their fellow citizens.
'Fear': preliminary investigation launched into book by Jan Gross
Chasing Away the Memory of Guilt: The End of Jewish Life in Poland
THE JEDWABNE AFFAIR
Poland's willing executioners

I would also urge editors to look at History of Jews in Poland, and in particular keep an eye on the article on Jan T. Gross, which seems to have received many edits lately.-

Also, that the Polish continued to use the concentration camps after the German surrender[1] should be mentioned. I think some of the ones run by the Poles mentioned in the article and elsewhere were satellite camps to Auschwitz.--Stor stark7 ^Talk 22:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A bit on collective guilt should be added

Efforts to instill a sense of "collective guilt"

"In 1945 there was an Allied consensus—which no longer exists—on the doctrine of collective guilt, that all Germans shared the blame not only for the war but for Nazi atrocities as well."[2]

The British and The Americans considered the Germans to be guilty, using the terms "collective guilt", and "collective responsibility"[3]

The British instructed their officers in control of German media to instill a sense of collective guilt in the population[4]

In the early months of the occupation the Psychological Warfare Division of SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force) undertook a psychological propaganda campaign for the purpose of developing a German sense of collective responsibility.[5] Using the German press (which were all under Allied control) and posters and pamphlets a program acquainting ordinary Germans with what had take place in the concentration camps was conducted.

"During the summer of 1945 pictures of Bergen-Belsen were hung as posters all over Germany with 'You Are Guilty' on them."[6]

Later the U.S. army came to draw a distinction between those legally guilty and the rest of the population which was then merely considered morally guilty.[7]

A number of films showing the concentration camps were made and screened to the German public. For example "Die Todesmuhlen", released in the U.S. zone in January 1946, "Welt im Film" No. 5 (June, 1945). A film that was never finished due partly to delays and the existence of the other films was "Memory of the Camps". "...the object [of the film] was to shake and humiliate the Germans and prove to them beyond any possible challenge that these German crimes against humanity were committed and that the German people -- and not just the Nazis and SS -- bore responsibility."[8]

Immediately upon the liberation of the concentration-camps many German civilians were forced to see the conditions in the camps, bury rotting corpses and exhume mass-graves.[9] On threat of death or withdrawal of food civilians were forced to provide their belongings to former concentration camp inmates[10]

--Stor stark7 ^Talk 23:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Holocaust in Philosophy and Critical Theory

The Holocaust has loomed over quite a bit of late twentieth century philosophical writing: in the work of Agamben, Blanchot, Derrida, Butler, Caruth, Arendt, and so on and so forth. At the very least, there should be a reference to the Holocaust's importance in Trauma theory, as both a frequent object of discussion and the impetus for much inquiry. At the very least, a paragraph is in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.65.94 (talk) 02:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding to Reparations

While this article talks about the different movements and efforts that took place in the1990s to return the stolen property of Holocaust survivors and the heirs of Holocaust survivors, it does not particularly discuss the importance of Holocaust remembrance as part of the reparation and restitution movement. The main idea I will focus on adding to this article comes from Dan Diner's article "Restitution and Memory: The Holocaust in European Political Cultures" which is the idea that Europe is now bound together by a collective memory of the Holocaust. This unified memory is one of the main reasons Diner lists for the flourishing of the restitution movement of the mid-1990s.This unified memory allowed for all European countries to come together after such a tragic event to establish the Holocaust at its core as one the most negative events of the 20th century leading to a greater consciousness and awareness of this horrific event, in addition, to beginning countless discourses on the topic. Immediately after the Holocaust, countries such as the United States were preoccupied with the ColdWar, whereas countries like Germany were controlled by foreign powers, and the Holocaust was not the main concern. Only as time went on did Europe begin to understand the importance of restitution and reparations. As the restoration of property increased, an increase in the memories for Holocaust survivors was found to be a direct correlation. The connection between property and memory proved to be a key in unlocking more details about the Holocaust, further adding to this collective European memory, and thereby increasing and furthering the restitution movement.

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36-44.<Dan Diner, "Restitution and Memory: The Holocaust in European Political Cultures," New German Critique 90(2003):39>[11] Rositasaul (talk) 06:37, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"this collective European memory"???

Poland has a memory of war and German terror, Germany has a memory of plundering of Europe, especially of the Eastern one. It's not "collective".Xx236 (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The lead should summarize the page

Seems to be too short.Xx236 (talk) 07:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish childen in Poland

Many Jewish children saved by Christian Poles were got back by Jewish organizations. The Polish families were unhappy, they offered their lives, work and scarce food. Marcin Zaremba writes about the prolem in his book https://www.znak.com.pl/ksiazka/wielka-trwoga-marcin-zaremba-3365 .Xx236 (talk) 07:38, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How is this a "prolem"? Icewhiz (talk) 09:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Icewhiz dehumanizes any problem. You know, people have feelings.Xx236 (talk) 11:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust denial

The denial includes also transfer of responsibility for the Holocaust. Xx236 (talk) 11:36, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dangling refs

I have located some dangling refs and hidden them, replacing each with a citation needed tag. This has been done because we have references pointing to sources that are not recorded in the article. Please feel free to contact me if you need assistance fixing this. - Aussie Article Writer (talk)

Other groups seem to be missing

The page seems to miss people targeted based on ethnicity, political beliefs, and/or sexual orientation. It is notable how people did not care (see: forced sterilization of the war hero Allan Turing for being homosexual). It is also notable how it put a damper on the (looking back) seemingly inevitable march of LGBT+ rights and science. Bart Terpstra (talk) 22:38, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not part of The Holocaust. I've removed the tag. Levivich (talk) 15:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]