Talk:Administrative divisions of Haryana

Missing divisions

Karnal division and Faridabad division are still missing. Please help create. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 09:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Please review/improve my enhancements

Yesterday, I added a large amount of text to this article in one big go which I had consolidated after spending several hours behind the scene. That was my first pass of turning this stub in to a significantly enlarged and consolidated article. I intended to further refine this article over next few days with additional citations and enhancement to preemept any future potential reverts/challenges/contentions. Before I could undertake subsequent changes, I am glad the article got attention from Beastranger (talk · contribs) (who was kind enough to contribute his own time/effort to further enhance and to enlist the pending gaps/refinement) and Fylindfotberserk (talk · contribs) (who made these reverts to an unsourced subsection). It was good that this article got an early attention from these two. Instead of slogging alone and being revrted months later, I now have the benefit to crowdsource review/feedback/collaborativeEdits/enhancements from these two and others. While making my first submittion/edit, I was well aware of these shortcomings of the article (more citations, rephrasing of short sentences into more flowing text, additional text, more divisions such as railway divisons falling within Haryana), which I intend to bridge over next few days. Meanwhile I resquest the following from all the editors:

1. Review and insert tags: Please get involved, either enhance/rephrase the existing article. Insert tags e.g. better source wanted, etc.

2. Allow me bit of leeway for couple of weeks while I further refine the article: Please bear with me with patience for next few weeks, during which I intend to provide citations for the unsupported text. If you wish to help, then those citations can be easily taken from the articles piped within the text.

3. Retain ethno-linguistic groups/regions (will be sourced soon): Please refer to this. For the ethno-linguistic classification there is no existing consolidated article to pipe/link to. I suggest let my edits remain in the article for next few weeks while I add citations. These ethno-linguistic are regularly used in the media. Sufficient reputed media as well as scientific sources exist which we could use as citation. Many of these ethno groups as well as etho-geo regions/groups has distinctively existed in the soruces for centuries (e.g. Meo and Mewat, Ahir/Yadav and Ahirwal) whereas some are relatively new terms that emerged somewhere between last 70 years (after inpdendence of India in 1947) to 50 years (soon after formation of Haryana in 1966), but still warrant inclusion for several reasons. These ethno-linguistic classificatiosn exist in media and scientific soruces but not on wikipedia (gap identified). By building this article on these, we will enhance wikipedia by bridging this gap.

4. Rename the article namespace/title to more self-descriptvie: "Divisions of Haryana" was an appropriate term for the earlier stub article which contained only the Administrative Divisions (grouping of districts). Since the article ahs expanad to include lot more, I suggest renaming of article namespace/title, e.g. "Regions, zones, divisions of Haryana" or something more self-descriptive of the article content. I do not have the tools, registered account, etc to make this change happen. If in concurrence, I request if editors "Beastranger" or "Fylindfotberserk" could make this change.

5. Please list the additional gaps/enhanced/suggestions below.

Thanks.

222.164.212.168 (talk) 06:18, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Indian media uses a lot of terms, however most are politically (votebank) driven. That is caste, ethnicity, linguistics are most mentioned at the time of elections. The point is notability. It is quite a sensitive issue to divide an Indian administrative region/state (Haryana) along ethno-linguistic lines. People are known to ethnic-war in the past. As an example, which I've mentioned in the edit summary, the Jatland article was removed after extensive discussion. Despite the fact that term was used in the media, it was deemed non-notable. Go through this. Besides I believe people at WP:INB would not be keen in keeping these. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk (talk · contribs) Thank you. This was very useful. You saved me from a lot of future wasted effort/stress. Sorry for the detailed response, I wanted to demonstrate my thought process e.g. for the benefits of future readers and to preeempt. Splitting my response by topics. 222.164.212.168 (talk) 11:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

You are most welcome. Keep up the good work. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I concur with Fylindfotberserk (talk · contribs) on ethno-linguistics section. On editing Interfluve section, I just replaced the native language section heading to English heading. I don't know much about the content in that section but that section doesn't match with MoS of Wikipedia. I think it needs much more attention of an expert. Beastranger (talk) 11:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Beastranger: You did a nice job. The article needs those tags. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Fylindfotberserk (talk · contribs), Beastranger (talk) 12:33, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Beastranger (talk · contribs) Thank you I liked what you did, it puts english heading on top and natively recognisable names as subheading. This is good enough now. PS: "Yamuna Interfluve" is locally known as "khadir" within Haryana. Since Khadir is just a native term for any "interfluve", it is good to retain "Yamuna" prefix to differentiate from numerous other "khadir"s. "Interfluve around Ghaggar river" (Ghaggar Khadir - no one uses this term) is locally called "Nali" (drain/channel). Thanks for those useful tags too. 222.164.212.168 (talk) 12:11, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

You're most welcome, User talk:222.164.212.168 Beastranger (talk) 12:33, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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